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Offline Grumps

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2018, 05:56:26 PM »
....but think of the mpg! 400 miles to a tank.....
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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2018, 08:27:52 PM »
*Originally Posted by Grumps [+]
....but think of the mpg! 400 miles to a tank.....

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2018, 06:02:14 PM »
I've got a 2017 BMW S1000R sport as well as my Tiger 800. It takes 98 octane petrol and I filled up from a BP "Supreme" pump thinking somewhat absentmindedly that it was the expensive petrol option. 2 miles down the road, loss of power and loads of exhaust smoke - blinding realisation struck that I'd filled a near empty tank with "premium" diesel.
BMW have an amazing (free) emergency service which was with me in less than 30 minutes, loaded the bike in a specialist bike transporter, off to the dealers.
They vacuum pumped 2 tanks of petrol though the injectors, bike is running as good as new - 280 bill. Never been more relieved to part with a wad of dosh!

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2018, 09:53:41 PM »
Filled my XT600 FULL at petrol station in California. Did not start the bike but had to find some where to dump it. Tar buckets with all sorts of rubbish in it. A man asked if he could have it. He was going to filter it and use it in his pick up  :062:
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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2018, 03:35:57 PM »
Well I managed to fill my 800XC with Ecodiesel in northern Italy a couple of years ago. In my defence I was tired after a full day of riding over the Alps from Austria and it was labelled in green like UK unleaded. Took off in the fast lane along the Autostrada only to cough to an undignified halt whist trying to weave across the lanes to the hard shoulder. Great Triumph dealer near Vicenza drained it, had the injectors thoroughly cleaned and reflashed the ECU. 20k miles on it hasn't missed a beat so very grateful to them for sorting it. Actually saved me 3 days of very expensive parking in Venice while it was being repaired. 

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2018, 03:57:56 PM »
I must admit to nearly doing the same. I pulled up at a pump I use on a regular basis and flipped the filler cap open and put the nozzle in the tank. I just started to squeeze the handle when I realised it was the diesel  pump. I stopped immediately but I then had to go into the kiosk and pay for the diesel before I could continue filling with petrol. The bill for the diesel was 12p. I then had to go back to the pump, fill with petrol and return to the kiosk to pay. The lady cashier gave me some very strange looks.

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2018, 03:58:35 PM »
Not strictly on topic, but I still recall fondly my first bike, an MZ TS125. This was a two-stroke that used a petrol/oil mixture and had no separate oil tank. You filled up at a petrol station, and the filler cap held a small cup underneath it which you added two-stroke oil into and then screwed the cap back into the tank, thus adding the right amount of oil to the petrol.

The bike was incredibly smoky when cold. I lived in Clapham Junction in London at the time and remember leaving a trail like the Red Arrows behind me when starting off.

Sorry, I've got to that stage of life where I reminisce about anything tangentially related to what's being talked about...

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2018, 06:38:08 AM »
When I first refueled my T800 I found therein very unpleasant thing that were placed across the hole and doesn't let me to leave a pistol into the tank. You know, this rod for protection of pump.
Every refuelling of T800 is a kind of circus. Here in Russia we almost have not gas stations without prepaid. We all shall to fit a pistol in tank, go to make a payment and then return to a vehicle to control a fill. A tubes of pistols are hold very bad on the edge of the tank upper the rod. I always afraid that pistol will fall and scratch my bike.
But. No chance to get a diesel at least because of specific smell.
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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2018, 07:03:42 AM »
From a internet article.

Putting Diesel Into gasoline.

https://www.bellperformance.com/blog/accidentally-mixing-gasoline-and-diesel-fuel

( The biggest concern is the reduction in octane. Thinking about how gasoline burns in an engine, octane rating is the measurement of gasolines ability to ignite at the right time not too early.  Gasoline with lower octane rating will ignite too quickly once it is injected into the chamber. The gasoline ignite and explodes, but the piston is still on its way up and the resulting pressure wave collision gives you (at best) a knocking sound and (at worst) damage to the piston and rod.  In a sense, octane slows down combustion, it delays it.

Gasoline needs to have an octane rating of 87-91 to fit todays car engines. Diesel fuel has an octane rating of 25-40.  Mixing 2% diesel fuel into gasoline will lower the overall octane rating by 1 point. Getting 10% diesel contamination  lowers octane by 5 points, which is enough to create problems in most engines. The octane depression rises linearly with increasing percentages of diesel fuel in the gasoline.

So higher levels of diesel contamination will damage the engine and give you blown pistons and cracked heads.  More moderate diesel contamination will give you dirty combustion and can damage the engine over time if something isnt done. )

From me.

It really depends on how many much diesel was added ,most people don't stop for fuel when they need only a gallon or less  . ( drain the complete system ' flush with gasoline, blow out lines , injectors ,fuel pump lines as needed )
Or take your chances
« Last Edit: July 13, 2018, 07:14:33 AM by Dirtbag »

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Re: Try diesel in your Tiger
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2018, 07:20:18 AM »
*Originally Posted by Dirtbag [+]
Putting Diesel Into Gasoline
Now, let's look at the reverse youre mixing a higher flash, heavier fuel into a base fuel (gasoline) thats lighter, more volatile and burns at a much lower flash temperature.  Despite these differences, putting diesel into gasoline wont cause nearly as many problems as the reverse.

The biggest concern is the reduction in octane. Thinking about how gasoline burns in an engine, octane rating is the measurement of gasolines ability to ignite at the right time not too early.  Gasoline with lower octane rating will ignite too quickly once it is injected into the chamber. The gasoline ignite and explodes, but the piston is still on its way up and the resulting pressure wave collision gives you (at best) a knocking sound and (at worst) damage to the piston and rod.  In a sense, octane slows down combustion, it delays it.

Gasoline needs to have an octane rating of 87-91 to fit todays car engines. Diesel fuel has an octane rating of 25-40.  Mixing 2% diesel fuel into gasoline will lower the overall octane rating by 1 point. Getting 10% diesel contamination  lowers octane by 5 points, which is enough to create problems in most engines. The octane depression rises linearly with increasing percentages of diesel fuel in the gasoline.

So higher levels of diesel contamination will damage the engine and give you blown pistons and cracked heads.  More moderate diesel contamination will give you dirty combustion and can damage the engine over time if something isnt done.
It really depends on how many much diesel was added ,most people don't stop for fuel when they need a only a gallon . ( drain the complete system ' flush with gasoline, blow out lines , injectors ,fuel pump lines as needed )
Or take your chances

So, that is instruction for a truck driver who forgets that today he ride on his bike:
1. If you stop instantly, just change the pistol to petrol's one and don't panic! Several drops of diesel can't damage your engine.
2. If you found a time to drink a coffe while gas station did its work - call to a some service!
3. If you ride on T800 and you forced to hold a gas pistol - just sniffing!  :002:
« Last Edit: July 13, 2018, 07:23:28 AM by Anakin »
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