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Offline CrazyL

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Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« on: August 18, 2018, 04:23:19 PM »
Hi all

Bit of a weird one this.  My wife and I have just spent 2 nights away at the Old Cider House b&b in Nether Stowey, and very nice it was too, I digress however, once we pulled up outside, I could not get the bike out of 1st and into neutral, it was stiff to move and kept going in to 2nd, and vice versa.

I was in 1st as I was simply bimbling along looking for our digs, then once stopped, I tried to get neutral and the gear lever was hard as **** to move. 

I could only select neutral if I was actually moving.  The start of the 2nd day and it was fine for a little while but once warmed up again the problem returned.

I've had the bike for 2 years and it has never given me this issue.  In fact, the only other time I have suffered this complaint was on my Y reg Daytona 955i, and I got shot of that 9 years ago.  The rest of my 25 year tenure in the saddle has been populated with Japanese machinery and as such, never suffered as such.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated thank you.

It may be of interest that I recently did an oil change, with an oil and filter combo bought from M and Ps ebay shop, using Silkolene super 4.  The same oil I have been using problem free since I have been riding 4 strokes, ie, 20 years.

Again,  it maybe coincidence but any ideas are welcomed, thank you.
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 04:31:57 PM »
Check the chain tension, it could be too slack - I've experienced similar symptoms in the past

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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2018, 04:33:01 PM »
Also check the clutch cable adjustment.
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2018, 06:25:14 PM »
Cheers guys

I set my chain up before the trip, and it's still pretty good, so I'd like to discount that one.  The clutch cable is also nicely adjusted, the same as it has been since I bought the bike, with a nice little bit of free play as is the norm.

I guess you are stumped as I am.  I loathe to dump the oil out as it is fresh.  However, If I find everyone is using 5/20 for example as opposed to the 10/40 I was supplied with, I may have to bite the bullet.
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2018, 07:02:45 PM »
What slack do you have in the chain? Measured how? I ask 'cos people do it different & it can make a difference to gear change.
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2018, 07:14:05 PM »
Are all the gear linkage ball and rose joints well lubed, adjusted properly and moving freely and also the groove on the pivot that the lever attaches to clean and well lubed?
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 07:50:44 PM »
*Originally Posted by Cats [+]
Are all the gear linkage ball and rose joints well lubed, adjusted properly and moving freely and also the groove on the pivot that the lever attaches to clean and well lubed?

Ha, there's been a large quantity of gear linkages with no lube at all in those ball joints from new & the riveted connections to the arms are loose so swivelling where they shouldn't be. Had mine changed under warranty, the dealers are all aware of this issue.
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2018, 09:30:21 PM »
I have about an inch of slack in my chain, measured in the middle of the rung, I measure it using my eyes, I'm a precision engineer.

The ball joints did have some slack in them when I bought the bike 2 years ago but I saw to that with split shims I made up, not been an issue since.

If I take it apart and it requires a grease, I grease it.  Not been doing this for 24 years and not learnt anything.

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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 09:47:23 PM »
*Originally Posted by CrazyL [+]
I have about an inch of slack in my chain, measured in the middle of the rung, I measure it using my eyes, I'm a precision engineer.

The ball joints did have some slack in them when I bought the bike 2 years ago but I saw to that with split shims I made up, not been an issue since.

If I take it apart and it requires a grease, I grease it.  Not been doing this for 24 years and not learnt anything.

Not much any of us can help you with then.
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Re: Can't get neutral if at a standstill after ride
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 10:58:21 PM »
My mate bought a Triumph second hand and it had the same symptoms. Turned out the previous owner dropped it causing the gearshift shaft to bend slightly inside the case. Replaced the shaft and all ok.
An outside chance, was the bike dropped or the shaft knocked in any way?
Laterally unstable unless moving.

 


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