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Offline bream0504

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Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« on: May 17, 2020, 12:27:13 PM »
Started my 2011 XC 800 absolutely fine, rode 2 minutes and stopped for about an hour. Went to start again and bike will not start at all.

On initially pressing ignition switch there is a single click which looks like an engine warning relay is coming on, and then the warning light comes on the dash and the engine does nothing. Bike seems to whir a lot more than usual during its start up cycle.

Tried bumping and it actually locks the back wheel when releasing clutch, and when in gear on the centre stand the back wheel refuses to move in either direction.

Bike has been nothing but reliable so a bit miffed. Any ideas of some simple fix would be appreciated!

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 12:54:50 PM »
If your back wheel isn't moving I'd check your brake caliper carefully to see if anything has come undone.

If need be remove the wheel and have a good look all round.

Double check kill switch and battery also.

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 01:48:25 PM »
Back wheel turns fine in Nuetral so nothing with brakes. Killswitch seems to be working as Warning light only shows when it is switched to the on position.

Fuses all fine, including the 30A start motor fuse underneath the battery.

Battery was low but expected as had been attempting to start a few times. Find it unlikely to be this due to the fact it went from working to not in the space of an hour. No normal signs of dying battery in the form of sluggish turning over of starter motor.

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 01:52:04 PM »
Check your front sprocket.

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2020, 02:29:49 PM »
Try bumping it in 3rd to check everything is turning OK before looking for the issue further
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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2020, 09:10:29 PM »
So update.

Took the battery off as spent so long trying different things to get it started the voltage had dropped below 10V. Gave it a long charge for around 4hrs and reconnected and has started ever since.

Still pretty sure it wasnt the battery but the EMU at fault. Wondering if removing the battery for that length of time had cleared some fault on the EMU? 10V should still have attempted to turn the starter motor. During fault diagnosis I also removed both connections from the EMU as I checked the starter motor fuse which is located under the 2x fuse boxes, so this could have also cleared something?

Either way, for the time being she is running sweet again. Thanks for the replies above!

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2020, 09:31:20 PM »
So how old is the battery?

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2020, 10:38:44 PM »
When you pull in the clutch lever fully, does the clutch completely disengage the engine from the back wheel?

From your description it sounds as though the engine ( and therefore the starter) could be laboured by an incomplete release, which can be caused if the clutch is not adjusted correctly to provide full release. It would be more pronounced on a cold engine.
Might be ok but worth a check.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 10:40:41 PM by chuckxc »
Laterally unstable unless moving.

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2020, 11:03:44 PM »
*Originally Posted by bream0504 [+]
and when in gear on the centre stand the back wheel refuses to move in either direction.

Of course it won't rotate when it is in gear. You are trying to rotate the wheel against the compression of the engine when it is in gear.

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Re: Won't Start - Amber Engine Warning light
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2020, 11:06:31 PM »
*Originally Posted by bream0504 [+]
10V should still have attempted to turn the starter motor.

No it would not. It would have detected the low voltage and said no way Jose.
In the pre fuel injection days you would have had some sort of weak attempt to start.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 11:59:57 PM by K1W1 »

 


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