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Offline norboy

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2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« on: July 04, 2020, 10:18:47 AM »
Apols if this has been extensively covered, but could not find it.

I have a low mileage venom yellow 2011 Tiger 800. My use is mainly leisure, touring, holidays etc.

I have been looking at a 2019 XRt and am wondering whether it really a much better bike or its largely marketing hype.

What are the real life riders views - comments appreciated ?

Thanks, Norboy.

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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2020, 03:17:11 PM »
I did ride an '11 Tiger 800 (loan bike) when I was having my Speed Triple serviced but that didn't inspire me to change.

I did have a '15 XRx (Gen 2) and have changed to an '18 XRt (Gen 3) and there is definitely improvement there.  :417: :152: :031:
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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2020, 05:42:44 PM »
I have a riding buddy who bought a new '18 XRT last year (really special price) and compared to my old-original 'Venom' there's really alotta difference -- mainly in accessories/add-ons built-in.
Whether the basic motorcycle functions are much better? or, by how much? may be a judgment call?
A full answer may need empirical, side-by-side, comparison testing?
(I haven't ridden my buddy's '18)
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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2020, 09:04:19 PM »
Avgbear has hit the nail on the head with the question, how much better are the basic functions ?

Particularly relevant in my case as my 2011 Tiger is low mileage and pretty loaded with accessories. Additionally I don't feel I need 5 different rider modes or ABS.

Anyway I took the bull by the horns and took a 2020 XRt out for a two hour spin along the motorway, some A roads and some fun twisties. Everything was set to basic ' out of the box' settings.

Basically, the XRt felt marginally nippier through the gears, a bit buzzier and tracked slightly better. It encouraged licence endangering speeds a little more.

Otherwise, the seat felt lower, but i think this was as it was narrower. My madstad screen was to me still better than the standard triumph screen and a small point, the indicator switch was definitely better on the older machine.

In conclusion, for me specifically, the improvements on the core basics were not of sufficient magnitude to persuade me to shell out c 7500 to make a part ex for a new machine work.  i did however think that if the T800 is to be a 'keeper' for a few years, then upgrading the suspension front and rear should be investigated in more detail as I could see that the XRt Showa was an improvement on what i have when solo, and i suspect, will be an even bigger improvement two up especially when you want to get a move on, on roads with surfaces that are less than brilliant.

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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 09:20:05 AM »
I used to run a 2013 non-ABS Tiger and traded in for a 2018 XRX, differences -

Suspension MUCH better on the 2018, the early Tiger had extremely harsh front forks, too much compression and no adjustment. The newer model is pretty good out of the box.
The Brakes on the newer model are also much better and I believe even better on the 900.
The engine is better, smoother mapping (my 2013 had no Lamda sensor in the exhaust) this manifested itself in very poor running at altitude in the Alps,  and the fuel consumption is improved on the 2018.
Of course, as previously mentioned on the forum , a tyre change to 110 section on the front does make for a better ride / handling on any model.

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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 05:09:49 PM »
I would never by another bike with non adjustable suspension. Your looking at about a 1000 to sort the forks and shock on a Roadie. However it makes a huge difference and your still getting alot of bike for the money.

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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 02:48:48 PM »
Anyway, after sleeping on it for a couple of weeks I revisited the Gen 3 XRt question. Took a 2019 example out for a good spin. On this second ride I came away a lot more enthusiastic and the upshot is I collect my 2019 Low mileage ( 2.9k) machine on Tuesday. Being offered a materially better trade in deal also helped.

Lets hope Ive made the right decision. In the meantime anyone looking for a very affordable low mileage 2011 roadie, fully loaded, thats led a cosseted life and has a pair of virtually new Micheliin Pilots should speak to Brian Gray Powerbiking in High Wycombe.

Thanks to those who  commented above.

Norboy

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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 03:04:15 PM »
  :062: Excellent choice, enjoy the new bike.

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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 04:16:08 PM »
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Re: 2011 Tiger - 2019 800 XRt comparison
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 07:06:10 PM »
Something that's not advertised openly, is just  the 3rd gen is more bullet proof, all the small failures
and bad stuff of 1st gen have ben addressed, that's also what you get buying one and handlebars are
1cm back with a 2cm adjsutment.

 


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