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Offline chuckxc

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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2021, 01:15:13 PM »
I guess I have a different point of view.
I'm not overly concerned about how bright my lights seem to others. I ride assuming I am invisible. Therefore I don't depend on some dullard seeing me. I  just  assume they don't and they will do something stupid.  Ride defensively.



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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2021, 11:07:18 PM »
Indeed chuck, but increased visibility can still be a useful second line of defence.

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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2021, 11:30:02 PM »
*Originally Posted by chuckxc [+]
I guess I have a different point of view.
I'm not overly concerned about how bright my lights seem to others. I ride assuming I am invisible. Therefore I don't depend on some dullard seeing me. I  just  assume they don't and they will do something stupid.  Ride defensively.

Agree.
Treat every other person and animal on or near the road as a complete moron who is out to kill you and ride accordingly (that includes your riding buddies by the way).
Additional lights are handy and I ride with my "Chuck specials" on most of the time but ultimately motorcyclists cannot assume that any other road user is going to either see them or do the right thing.

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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2021, 12:03:59 AM »
*Originally Posted by Alberto_B [+]

Indeed chuck, but increased visibility can still be a useful second line of defence.
Not necessarily in this case under discussion.  Having super bright non-reg lights that zap the retina of the driver in front of you as well as piss them off  doesn't do you or them any good. Same goes for your mate's rear view mirrors up ahead.
 Courtesy and safety go together.
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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2021, 08:01:07 PM »
Of course. My point was only a general one, that it's probably better to be both defensive and enhance your visibility.  :028:

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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2021, 08:21:34 PM »
*Originally Posted by chuckxc [+]
Not necessarily in this case under discussion.  Having super bright non-reg lights that zap the retina of the driver in front of you as well as piss them off  doesn't do you or them any good. Same goes for your mate's rear view mirrors up ahead.
 Courtesy and safety go together.
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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2021, 01:36:10 AM »
*Originally Posted by Alberto_B [+]
Indeed chuck, but increased visibility can still be a useful second line of defence.
Passive safety only goes so far -- much better to equip oneself with knowledge and skills than to trust others for your safety.

*Originally Posted by chuckxc [+]
Not necessarily in this case under discussion.  Having super bright non-reg lights that zap the retina of the driver in front of you as well as piss them off  doesn't do you or them any good. Same goes for your mate's rear view mirrors up ahead.
Courtesy and safety go together.
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Offensive lighting is merely that -- offensive. Good motor vehicle lighting is not just more lumens -- it's engineered by knowledgeable companies like Cibie or Marchal. Trusting the general public to get it right is foolhardy.
The industry, at the very least, needs to regulate and (after sale) governmental regulators --  for the good of all road users.
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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2021, 08:27:18 AM »
Regarding "Defensive Lighting", I've often though how bright and noticeable these flashing LED things cyclists have fixed to their bars, can see them for miles and do attract attention.

Even if you had them wired via a latching push button and used them as you approach junctions etc.

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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2021, 08:48:04 AM »
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Offensive lighting is merely that -- offensive. Good motor vehicle lighting is not just more lumens -- it's engineered by knowledgeable companies like Cibie or Marchal.

In that case there is a monumental failure on the part of almost every manufacturer of SUVs who are fitting LED lights so high on the front of the vehicle that even when correctly adjusted in low beam they are literally blinding to anybody driving a standard sedan.

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Re: Tiger 800 Spotlights
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2021, 02:43:28 PM »
*Originally Posted by mcinlb [+]
Regarding "Defensive Lighting", I've often though how bright and noticeable these flashing LED things cyclists have fixed to their bars, can see them for miles and do attract attention.

Even if you had them wired via a latching push button and used them as you approach junctions etc.

I believe flashing lights on a motor vehicle that are not turn signals or emergency flashers are illegal here in the States.   Guess they might be confused with emergency vehicles like police, fire or ambulance.  However I do occasionally see bikes where the headlight cycles slowly between high & low beams while riding.  Not sure if those are legal or not???
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