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Tiger 800XC - The Off Road Board => Tiger 800XC - General Discussion => Topic started by: locky on September 11, 2016, 10:06:15 PM

Title: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 11, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
I decided to disable the stepper motor and linkage and fit a Daytona 675 manual adjuster.
Basically I've removed the idle stop screw and replaced it with the manual adjuster.(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/85992d87b436523e79e91d1fa833bb00.jpg)
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/38bb40cca10dcda573166e76a68a6ab8.jpg)

 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: UncleGary on September 12, 2016, 12:09:57 AM
What is the advantage in doing this change?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on September 12, 2016, 12:00:57 PM
*Originally Posted by UncleGary [+]
What is the advantage in doing this change?

No more poor idling / stalling due to stepper motor shaft covered in crap, especially if in dusty environments.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 12, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
Just put it all back together and it's worked as planned. Idle is super steady and set at 1100rpm.
No more stepper problems.


 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 12, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/5705732c002d3611ee6170b0b5d567bf.jpg)

I removed the stepper motor bracket and put a slight bend in it so the shaft is clear from touching anything.
The linkage is rotated backwards and held in place with a zip tie to stop it fouling anything.

 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: UncleGary on September 13, 2016, 12:31:25 AM
Please don't take offense, anyone but why does Triumph fit stepper motors at some expense if superior results can be achieved with a screw? I know superior results can usually be achieved with a screw but this is an honest question.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: AvgBear on September 13, 2016, 03:09:37 AM
*Originally Posted by UncleGary [+]
Please don't take offense, anyone but why does Triumph fit stepper motors...?
To: control engine idle speed; adjust air supply on engine overrun; correct for altitude and cold starting.
(all done "automatically" and within emission regs...)
No offense taken...  :002:
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: wizz69 on September 13, 2016, 01:39:16 PM
*Originally Posted by locky [+]
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/5705732c002d3611ee6170b0b5d567bf.jpg)

I removed the stepper motor bracket and put a slight bend in it so the shaft is clear from touching anything.
The linkage is rotated backwards and held in place with a zip tie to stop it fouling anything.

 

maybe i am blind, but i cannot see the replaced screw in the pic, too dark.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 13, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/c66cc6da1e09670a671bb5bc54caf26c.jpg)

Scree enters under throttle bodies. 
Pic above is not of my bike.

 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: wizz69 on September 15, 2016, 07:04:23 AM
*Originally Posted by locky [+]
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/c66cc6da1e09670a671bb5bc54caf26c.jpg)

Scree enters under throttle bodies. 
Pic above is not of my bike.

 

i see, thx
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: NORTY on October 02, 2016, 04:26:53 AM
The bike would be better off without the stepper motor. Unless Triumph figured out a way to make it work in all the conditions the bike might be subjected to. I see they fixed the problem by removing it in later editions. Now, if we could just get Triumph to listen to reason regarding the retarded gear ratios they chose...
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on April 21, 2017, 05:27:22 PM
Been looking at this mod and can anyone confirm that this >  http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triumph_motorcycle_parts_locator.php?block_01=&block_02=100063443-0-2&block_03=610414
is the part that I need?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on April 24, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
No one?  I've tried pm'ing Locky but had no reply.
Oh well, might just have to take a punt.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: bluestar on April 24, 2017, 03:46:26 PM
*Originally Posted by Cats [+]
No one?  I've tried pm'ing Locky but had no reply.
Oh well, might just have to take a punt.

I'm almost positive that it is the correct one but I haven't used it myself.  :027:
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: itchywheels on May 02, 2017, 12:42:02 PM
Did you buy it Cats ?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on May 02, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
I got a late reply from Locky and he informed me that it's this one > http://www.jacklilley.com/buy/Triumph-Manual-Idle-Adjuster-Kit/A9618076  Whether it's the same I don't know, but this is the one I've ordered from Jack Lilley Triumph and just waiting on it's arrival. As to when i'll be fitting it ???
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: itchywheels on May 03, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
Thanks again Cat. Can you remove the stepper motor totally ? Anybody  :027:
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on May 04, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
When I get round to the mod i'll try it and see what happens. The adjuster turned up today so i'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: bluestar on May 04, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
*Originally Posted by itchywheels [+]
Thanks again Cat. Can you remove the stepper motor totally ? Anybody  :027:

Removing the stepper motor will cause the check engine light to come on. Just unbolt it and zip tie it out of the way.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on May 11, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
 Yes the stepper motor needs to stay connected.  Im interested how you get on with the manual adjuster. Mines been fine since fitted.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on July 28, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
Fitted mine today.  If you have small enough hands you can remove the throttle stop screw with a 2.5mm allen and then your fingers.  The manual adjuster is much easier to attach with the nice big knurled end.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: itchywheels on July 28, 2017, 09:28:51 PM
Some thing else for the shopping list !
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on July 29, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
Just for variety I remounted the stepper 90 degrees clockwise using as the anchor point it's lower mounting plate mount.  Some locktite on the screw and all good.  The actual roller mechanism I rotated so the roller is uppermost & zip-tied it there. 
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Seanocaoimh on April 13, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
Q for KildareMan I'm told from dealertool that I can't adjust the idle speed. The oil light comes on when I'm at idle so I'm thinking could I fit the manual adjuster and raise the idle enough to get the light to stay off ? It seems an easy enough
Job , reading what people on this thread say about it . I could check the oil sensor at the same time , what ya think.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on April 14, 2018, 10:58:47 AM
As the other thread.  Check / have checked the actual oil pressure.  DO NOT mask the issue by raising the idle with a manual adjuster.  When you are sorted then think about the manual.  I much prefer it as I have a rock steady idle with not hunting at all - something that always bugs me.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Seanocaoimh on April 14, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Thanks , will do.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Gasman on May 29, 2018, 09:04:43 AM
I have just checked the link above and it says no longer available. Is that the case or are the parts still available somewhere?
Thanks
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: digger06 on June 09, 2018, 08:06:06 AM
my adjuster was off a honda, the thread etc is quite common , i got mine from a scrappers
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: ccmp on June 09, 2018, 08:28:37 AM
Can anyone tell me what the thread size is? I dont want to go stripping tank etc to find out.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on June 09, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
*Originally Posted by ccmp [+]
Can anyone tell me what the thread size is? I dont want to go stripping tank etc to find out.

If I have the correct bag from my box of bits it's M5 - with a 2.5mm recessed hex and a 7mm lock nut
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: macintosh on September 11, 2018, 09:09:52 AM
My stepper motor on 2012 roadie gave up. No idle (mos times). I thought that the manual adjuster would be best (and cheapest) route but seems that manual idle adjuster for Daytona 675 is not available any more. Triumph Manual idle adjuster kit (Part No: A9618076) is now replaced with A1241041 and according to Triumph and Fowlers, this part is now obsolete. Any ideas where from I get one?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: ccmp on September 11, 2018, 09:17:12 AM
I've been through the same problem earlier this year. All the supplied links failed and Triumph also told me the same as you got. I ended getting an idle adjuster from an old carb bike and adjusting to fit. Worked fine. I wasn't comfortable crossing Europe with a known problem waiting to happen.