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Tiger 800XC - The Off Road Board => Tiger 800XC - General Discussion => Topic started by: locky on September 11, 2016, 10:06:15 PM

Title: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 11, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
I decided to disable the stepper motor and linkage and fit a Daytona 675 manual adjuster.
Basically I've removed the idle stop screw and replaced it with the manual adjuster.(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/85992d87b436523e79e91d1fa833bb00.jpg)
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/38bb40cca10dcda573166e76a68a6ab8.jpg)

 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: UncleGary on September 12, 2016, 12:09:57 AM
What is the advantage in doing this change?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on September 12, 2016, 12:00:57 PM
*Originally Posted by UncleGary [+]
What is the advantage in doing this change?

No more poor idling / stalling due to stepper motor shaft covered in crap, especially if in dusty environments.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 12, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
Just put it all back together and it's worked as planned. Idle is super steady and set at 1100rpm.
No more stepper problems.


 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 12, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/5705732c002d3611ee6170b0b5d567bf.jpg)

I removed the stepper motor bracket and put a slight bend in it so the shaft is clear from touching anything.
The linkage is rotated backwards and held in place with a zip tie to stop it fouling anything.

 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: UncleGary on September 13, 2016, 12:31:25 AM
Please don't take offense, anyone but why does Triumph fit stepper motors at some expense if superior results can be achieved with a screw? I know superior results can usually be achieved with a screw but this is an honest question.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: AvgBear on September 13, 2016, 03:09:37 AM
*Originally Posted by UncleGary [+]
Please don't take offense, anyone but why does Triumph fit stepper motors...?
To: control engine idle speed; adjust air supply on engine overrun; correct for altitude and cold starting.
(all done "automatically" and within emission regs...)
No offense taken...  :002:
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: wizz69 on September 13, 2016, 01:39:16 PM
*Originally Posted by locky [+]
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/5705732c002d3611ee6170b0b5d567bf.jpg)

I removed the stepper motor bracket and put a slight bend in it so the shaft is clear from touching anything.
The linkage is rotated backwards and held in place with a zip tie to stop it fouling anything.

 

maybe i am blind, but i cannot see the replaced screw in the pic, too dark.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on September 13, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/c66cc6da1e09670a671bb5bc54caf26c.jpg)

Scree enters under throttle bodies. 
Pic above is not of my bike.

 

Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: wizz69 on September 15, 2016, 07:04:23 AM
*Originally Posted by locky [+]
(https://cdn.tt.tiger800.co.uk/c66cc6da1e09670a671bb5bc54caf26c.jpg)

Scree enters under throttle bodies. 
Pic above is not of my bike.

 

i see, thx
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: NORTY on October 02, 2016, 04:26:53 AM
The bike would be better off without the stepper motor. Unless Triumph figured out a way to make it work in all the conditions the bike might be subjected to. I see they fixed the problem by removing it in later editions. Now, if we could just get Triumph to listen to reason regarding the retarded gear ratios they chose...
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on April 21, 2017, 05:27:22 PM
Been looking at this mod and can anyone confirm that this >  http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triumph_motorcycle_parts_locator.php?block_01=&block_02=100063443-0-2&block_03=610414
is the part that I need?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on April 24, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
No one?  I've tried pm'ing Locky but had no reply.
Oh well, might just have to take a punt.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: bluestar on April 24, 2017, 03:46:26 PM
*Originally Posted by Cats [+]
No one?  I've tried pm'ing Locky but had no reply.
Oh well, might just have to take a punt.

I'm almost positive that it is the correct one but I haven't used it myself.  :027:
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: itchywheels on May 02, 2017, 12:42:02 PM
Did you buy it Cats ?
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on May 02, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
I got a late reply from Locky and he informed me that it's this one > http://www.jacklilley.com/buy/Triumph-Manual-Idle-Adjuster-Kit/A9618076  Whether it's the same I don't know, but this is the one I've ordered from Jack Lilley Triumph and just waiting on it's arrival. As to when i'll be fitting it ???
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: itchywheels on May 03, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
Thanks again Cat. Can you remove the stepper motor totally ? Anybody  :027:
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Cats on May 04, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
When I get round to the mod i'll try it and see what happens. The adjuster turned up today so i'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: bluestar on May 04, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
*Originally Posted by itchywheels [+]
Thanks again Cat. Can you remove the stepper motor totally ? Anybody  :027:

Removing the stepper motor will cause the check engine light to come on. Just unbolt it and zip tie it out of the way.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: locky on May 11, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
 Yes the stepper motor needs to stay connected.  Im interested how you get on with the manual adjuster. Mines been fine since fitted.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on July 28, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
Fitted mine today.  If you have small enough hands you can remove the throttle stop screw with a 2.5mm allen and then your fingers.  The manual adjuster is much easier to attach with the nice big knurled end.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: itchywheels on July 28, 2017, 09:28:51 PM
Some thing else for the shopping list !
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on July 29, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
Just for variety I remounted the stepper 90 degrees clockwise using as the anchor point it's lower mounting plate mount.  Some locktite on the screw and all good.  The actual roller mechanism I rotated so the roller is uppermost & zip-tied it there. 
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Seanocaoimh on April 13, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
Q for KildareMan I'm told from dealertool that I can't adjust the idle speed. The oil light comes on when I'm at idle so I'm thinking could I fit the manual adjuster and raise the idle enough to get the light to stay off ? It seems an easy enough
Job , reading what people on this thread say about it . I could check the oil sensor at the same time , what ya think.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: KildareMan on April 14, 2018, 10:58:47 AM
As the other thread.  Check / have checked the actual oil pressure.  DO NOT mask the issue by raising the idle with a manual adjuster.  When you are sorted then think about the manual.  I much prefer it as I have a rock steady idle with not hunting at all - something that always bugs me.
Title: Re: Manual idle adjuster.
Post by: Seanocaoimh on April 14, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Thanks , will do.