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Title: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 12, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
I am a 1 week old Tiger 800 rider. So I have a 2013 model, the bike seems to use fuel quickly. I am probably rather spoiled as I used to own a V Strom which regularly returned brilliant mpg.

My Tiger is only 10,500 miles and seems in great condition. I was just a bit surprised that I've filled up a bit. I don't have actual figures but I tend to ride sensibly and don't ride like a crazy thing. I am using the average mpg feature but not measured it from the odometer.

What do others get?

Is there a good way to maximise mpg?

I understand the 2015 models are better for economy?

Peoples views and experiences welcome.

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Tiggerton on October 12, 2017, 06:32:23 PM
Yes. 2015 models are more fuel efficient, reputedly.
My new Xrx returns the following in 4500 miles since April 2017:-

With Panniers, Top box and camping gear: around 54 mpg. NB; Mixed Mways, A and B roads to and fro Western Isles.

With just me and Top box on ride outs: around 65 mpg. NB; Mostly A, B & C roads.

My average speeds are usually 34 to 36 mph.

Not a boy racer, eh!

Regards



Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 12, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
*Originally Posted by Tiggerton [+]
Yes. 2015 models are more fuel efficient, reputedly.
My new Xrx returns the following in 4500 miles since April 2017:-

With Panniers, Top box and camping gear: around 54 mpg. NB; Mixed Mways, A and B roads to and fro Western Isles.

With just me and Top box on ride outs: around 65 mpg. NB; Mostly A, B & C roads.

My average speeds are usually 34 to 36 mph.

Not a boy racer




Tiggerton,

thanks for that.

I guess I'll have to maximise what I've got. I like the bike, just a little bit surprised how thirsty it is. I am no speed merchant, as a mature biker I like to get out and about, but I don't cane the beast.

Tips for better mpg welcome. Except 'keep it in the garage', that's not acceptable.  :017:

Dave

Regards
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: grandad on October 12, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Don't know exact figures as I use my bike for recreational purposes only and as such if I can have a £ 3/4000 toy sat in the garage for occasionally use then I'm not going to worry too much about a couple of MPG difference between totally differing bikes. I do reset my trip when I top up and always get between 200/220 miles to each tank full.

Grandad.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: maninthejar on October 12, 2017, 07:48:17 PM
 I'm guessing the Tiger is a bit like the Street Triple in that the early twin exhaust bikes are noticably more thirsty than the later 2013+ bikes with the underslung exhaust. A lot of that seems to be down to the ECU. Maybe they applied the lessons learned there when they revised the Tiger in 2015.

In my case I have averaged around 55mpg in my first 750 miles with the XRx (Arrow slip on with modified baffle and Arrow map).

By comparison I average around 45mpg on the Street Triple (Arrow slip on with no baffle + Arrow map) and my CBF1000 returned a similar figure.

I'm pleading the 5th amendment on speed but suffice to say I make progress when it is safe to do so. My mileage is spread over city commuting, motorways and longer A road journeys.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 12, 2017, 08:26:09 PM
*Originally Posted by grandad [+]
Don't know exact figures as I use my bike for recreational purposes only and as such if I can have a £ 3/4000 toy sat in the garage for occasionally use then I'm not going to worry too much about a couple of MPG difference between totally differing bikes. I do reset my trip when I top up and always get between 200/220 miles to each tank full.

Grandad.

Grandad,

fair comment. My 2013 V Strom 650 was a frugal beast, but your point is well made and the plus points of my Tiger are many not least a superb engine.

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 12, 2017, 08:27:30 PM
*Originally Posted by maninthejar [+]
I'm guessing the Tiger is a bit like the Street Triple in that the early twin exhaust bikes are noticably more thirsty than the later 2013+ bikes with the underslung exhaust. A lot of that seems to be down to the ECU. Maybe they applied the lessons learned there when they revised the Tiger in 2015.

In my case I have averaged around 55mpg in my first 750 miles with the XRx (Arrow slip on with modified baffle and Arrow map).

By comparison I average around 45mpg on the Street Triple (Arrow slip on with no baffle + Arrow map) and my CBF1000 returned a similar figure.

I'm pleading the 5th amendment on speed but suffice to say I make progress when it is safe to do so. My mileage is spread over city commuting, motorways and longer A road journeys.

Good points. Yes the 2015 was rejigged and apparently does get some better mpg. I suppose it's like a pretty girl, she may have some defects , but the overall impression is good; if that's not too sexist  :430:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: taff on October 12, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
My 63 plate XC is regularly returning 49 or 50 mpg. Same 55 mile journey everyday pretty much all fast A road and motorway.

I know that if I stuck to 60 mph all the way I'd get a much better figure.

Interestingly, Tesco fuel always gives me 46 or 47 MPG.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 12, 2017, 08:52:39 PM
*Originally Posted by taff [+]
My 63 plate XC is regularly returning 49 or 50 mpg. Same 55 mile journey everyday pretty much all fast A road and motorway.

I know that if I stuck to 60 mph all the way I'd get a much better figure.

Interestingly, Tesco fuel always gives me 46 or 47 MPG.

Thats good, like I mentioned the old V Strom 650 is a frugal beast. The Tiger is a beautiful machine and different to the 650 V twin.

One day we'll all be on electric bikes anyway  :451:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: chico on October 13, 2017, 12:41:28 AM
Traded mi 2011 Tiger 800R in May for a 2017 XRX. The former got 43-45 mpg. the XRX gets 55-59 mpg. Mind you these numbers reflect US gallons. The cost differential is of no consequence for me but getting an extra 40-80 miles before fill-up is a nice bonus.

Chico
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 13, 2017, 06:08:25 AM
Thanks for the posts. I suspect I will get around roughly 50 mpg on my Tiger (a March 2013 model).

In the UK that means petrol (gas) is £1.15p per litre. So it is a pain in the wallet and considerably less mpg than my old 650 V Strom - however, the Tiger is a superior bike to the plain (but solid) V Strom.

As a new Tiger owner,  Tiger performance, handling and look/feel of the Triumph, is in my view a much better bike, than the V Strom. Plus of course.............. it's a Triumph  :417:

I have considered part exchanging for a later 2016 or even a 2017 XRT Tiger model, like our friend Chico says, he is getting a much better mileage on his later model (thanks Chico for your post), but the cost of changing and all the rest of the costs (insurance etc. dealer mark ups etc) mean it may be best for me to keep my 2013 and when ridden carefully on a longer run achieve maybe up to 60 mpg and locally, which is most of my riding, fuel hungry stop start riding, it will be 45 - 50 mpg.

Dave

Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: julianhj on October 13, 2017, 06:14:27 AM
I ride the same 15 mile daily commute on my '63 plate roadie, just about to hit 10k miles. It's me and a topbox, mainly NSL roads which are congested 50% of the time. The fuel light comes on around the 160 mile mark (after topping off on the side stand), though I can influence that my limiting the number of full bore starts from the several sets of traffic lights I encounter on the NSL sections and in particular keeping the speed at 70 or lower. I've averaged 51.6 MPG per tank, though have seen as high as 60MPG when taking it easy, and as low as 45 when pushing on or had lots of stop/start riding in heavy traffic. I'm a bit of a nerd so I track consumption via a spreadsheet.

As there's not a huge amount in it I now tend not to get too hung up on my MPG, however I always leave the display on the trip average (reset each time I fill up) just out of interest.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 13, 2017, 07:12:03 AM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I ride the same 15 mile daily commute on my '63 plate roadie, just about to hit 10k miles. It's me and a topbox, mainly NSL roads which are congested 50% of the time. The fuel light comes on around the 160 mile mark (after topping off on the side stand), though I can influence that my limiting the number of full bore starts from the several sets of traffic lights I encounter on the NSL sections and in particular keeping the speed at 70 or lower. I've averaged 51.6 MPG per tank, though have seen as high as 60MPG when taking it easy, and as low as 45 when pushing on or had lots of stop/start riding in heavy traffic. I'm a bit of a nerd so I track consumption via a spreadsheet.

As there's not a huge amount in it I now tend not to get too hung up on my MPG, however I always leave the display on the trip average (reset each time I fill up) just out of interest.

Brilliant, thanks.

Yes, you're confirming what others also seem to be saying. We share the same roads/ area, so that's useful.

My commute is a gentle stop/start 16 miler round trip (coastal strip so very stop/start). Incidentally I realised that when i was on a jolly ride I'd done far more miles than I realised - very very easy to do on this sort of bike  :062:

I can live with 50 MPG and if i drive like Grandma I might see a 60 MPG sometime or other  :005: :155: :015:

I am conscious that when there are two bars left the low fuel light comes on, but it appears there is still 1 gallon left at 2 bars anyway ?

Thanks Julian.

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ccmp on October 13, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
 Hi , i moved from 2013 vstrom 650 to a tiger 800xc 2013.   I found the drop in range and mpg to be a big drawback. Driving style influences mpg significantly.  I still get 49 - 50 from mixed driving taking it handy.  The equivalent on the vstrom would be 58 ish.
 I do realise though that I use the throttle more on the tiger just for the buzz and the exhaust note. The engine wants to be driven much more than the vstrom.
I was down to 34 mpg for 2 tanks coming home from isle of man fully loaded into a headwind on motorway.
vstrom did the same the day I bought it on the motway run home.
Enjoy the bike for what it is.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 13, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
*Originally Posted by ccmp [+]
Hi , i moved from 2013 vstrom 650 to a tiger 800xc 2013.   I found the drop in range and mpg to be a big drawback. Driving style influences mpg significantly.  I still get 49 - 50 from mixed driving taking it handy.  The equivalent on the vstrom would be 58 ish.
 I do realise though that I use the throttle more on the tiger just for the buzz and the exhaust note. The engine wants to be driven much more than the vstrom.
I was down to 34 mpg for 2 tanks coming home from isle of man fully loaded into a headwind on motorway.
vstrom did the same the day I bought it on the motway run home.
Enjoy the bike for what it is.

ccmp

 :0461: yes, the Tiger is a better bike in many respects than the V Strom (I am not knocking it a fine but uninspiring bike is the 650cc Suzuki). The Tiger is a different beast and to be fair in the 2015 models the economy issue was addressed.

I can live with 50 to 60 mpg

 :417:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: julianhj on October 13, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
*Originally Posted by davexavier [+]
Brilliant, thanks.

Yes, you're confirming what others also seem to be saying. We share the same roads/ area, so that's useful.

My commute is a gentle stop/start 16 miler round trip (coastal strip so very stop/start). Incidentally I realised that when i was on a jolly ride I'd done far more miles than I realised - very very easy to do on this sort of bike  :062:

I am conscious that when there are two bars left the low fuel light comes on, but it appears there is still 1 gallon left at 2 bars anyway ?

Hi Dave,

I'm just a few miles further up the coast from you and my commute takes me east. You can probably guess my route, with all the stops/starts that entails, even on two wheels with a willingness to filter!

I was advised by the dealer that the last couple of bars should not be relied upon, despite the likelihood that there were a few litres still in the tank. As such I've always refilled before it dropped lower. I usually manage to put in 13.5 to 15 litres, and I think it's a 18.9 litre tank.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 13, 2017, 09:40:13 AM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
Hi Dave,

I'm just a few miles further up the coast from you and my commute takes me east. You can probably guess my route, with all the stops/starts that entails, even on two wheels with a willingness to filter!

I was advised by the dealer that the last couple of bars should not be relied upon, despite the likelihood that there were a few litres still in the tank. As such I've always refilled before it dropped lower. I usually manage to put in 13.5 to 15 litres, and I think it's a 18.9 litre tank.

Julian,

cheers, yes we know ''stop/ start'' down here in Sussex  :008:

Good call on the two bars. I am inclined to take a spare can of fuel in my top box and run it dry, purely to see the actual range (unless it does something horrendous to the engine ! LOL).

But I can certainly live with 50 mpg and a granny speed 60 mpg. In time I may move on to the newer model, but I like my one as the previous owners spent all his dosh with the nice extras:

Triumph Tiger ABS 800 Road - Registered  March 2013 (10,400 miles from new)
Purchased by 1st owner in Belgium, fully legally imported into UK
Front mudguard fender extender
Rear mudguard hugger (R&G)
Touring adjustable screen (Puig)
Hand guards (Triumph)
Centre Stand (Triumph)
Heated grips (Triumph)
Hazard warning lights (owner fitted)
Rack & Givi Trekker top box
Crash bars (Triumph)
Arrow exhaust (Triumph)
Dunlop Trailsmart tyres
All spare keys & alarm fob
FSH and lower than average mileage

 :417:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: upthepalace on October 13, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
My own experience so far on my '17 XRT would reflect those of Tiggerton above but, on a return blast on the motorway from Scotland recently, cruising at 85, c/c, all 3 boxes, solo, it dropped to 33 mpg???
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: KildareMan on October 13, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
*Originally Posted by upthepalace [+]
My own experience so far on my '17 XRT would reflect those of Tiggerton above but, on a return blast on the motorway from Scotland recently, cruising at 85, c/c, all 3 boxes, solo, it dropped to 33 mpg???

Hardly surprising given the size of those boxes and anything over 70/75 mph sees consumption ratchet up like a thirsty alcoholic
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Ace23 on October 13, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
I have a 2015 XRX and do 100 miles a day on the M25 usually about 70 to 80mph if no stand still traffic I think it's the worst bike I have had for fuel consumption it drinks it, at those constant speeds even with the cruise on. My last bike was a Ducati Scrambler again an 800cc that was much better I am considering selling the bike because of the petrol side of it but don't know what to replace it with yet! 
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Derchef1962 on October 13, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
*Originally Posted by Ace23 [+]
I have a 2015 XRX and do 100 miles a day on the M25 usually about 70 to 80mph if no stand still traffic I think it's the worst bike I have had for fuel consumption it drinks it, at those constant speeds even with the cruise on. My last bike was a Ducati Scrambler again an 800cc that was much better I am considering selling the bike because of the petrol side of it but don't know what to replace it with yet!
comapring apples and pears if you ask me, we too have a scrambler total different bike to the Tiger, Tiger has 20 hp more and our scrambler takes something like 5.2 l/100kms and a new Tiger takes 5.5 so where is the big difference?
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ccmp on October 13, 2017, 02:04:55 PM
For me changing bike due to fuel consumption doesn't make sense for the guy who sets up his bike with loads of accessories.
A tiger doing 10000 miles averaging 50mpg will consume 908 litres .
A vstrom doing 10000 miles averaging 60mpg will consume 756 litres .
£1.30 / litre thats £197 a year difference

Not many are doing that 10k / year and a vstrom (as an example) won't do the 60 mpg either.
So spending 6 or 7 K on a bike and then changing it to a bike that you mightn't enjoy as much to save a £100 on fuel  ???
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Derchef1962 on October 13, 2017, 02:16:09 PM
*Originally Posted by ccmp [+]
.... to save a £100 on fuel  ???

you got it right....
My car takes about 9.5 l/100 kms as I chase it from time to time to get all 300 horses galloping. I could do it with 2 liters less per 100 km but it does not make sense to buy the 300 horses if you never use them.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: AvgBear on October 13, 2017, 04:49:19 PM
*Originally Posted by Ace23 [+]
I have a 2015 XRX and...I think it's the worst bike I have had for fuel consumption...
My last bike was a Ducati Scrambler again an 800cc that was much better
I am considering selling the bike because of the petrol side of it but don't know what to replace it with yet!
Honda's NC700X is advertised as a "Fuel Saver" and gets 64 MPG on U.S. gallons -- more w/bigger U.K. gallons.
Reportedly, even more MPG if you get the "Automatic" model and let it do its automatic thing when riding..?  :033:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 13, 2017, 05:34:54 PM
*Originally Posted by ccmp [+]
For me changing bike due to fuel consumption doesn't make sense for the guy who sets up his bike with loads of accessories.
A tiger doing 10000 miles averaging 50mpg will consume 908 litres .
A vstrom doing 10000 miles averaging 60mpg will consume 756 litres .
£1.30 / litre thats £197 a year difference

Not many are doing that 10k / year and a vstrom (as an example) won't do the 60 mpg either.
So spending 6 or 7 K on a bike and then changing it to a bike that you mightn't enjoy as much to save a £100 on fuel  ???

 :493:

Yes,

your post has encapsulated my thought entirely. Fortunately I have a very mild Kawasaki W 800 that potters most places and does an OK mpg. The Tiger did come as a bit of a shock BUT one thing is with the beast it's easy to do decent mileages. I wasn't working on Wednesday and managed to do far more miles than I realised and I expect I will get 200 miles from a tank of fuel.

The V strom is competent but doesn't excite passion. Partly why I was drawn to the Tiger 800 really. It gets my juices going.  :017:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 16, 2017, 08:11:03 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
Hardly surprising given the size of those boxes and anything over 70/75 mph sees consumption ratchet up like a thirsty alcoholic

Or Just like an Irishman supping Guinness in Bantry  :001:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 18, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
I have been monitoring my mileage on the Tiger 800.

Currently I have 4 (fuel) bars left on the readout (and I've done 144 miles since filling up).

1. Is the fuel bar read out accurate? So if I have 4 bars does that equal to a potential mileage, for example 4 bars = roughly so many miles?

2. When it goes to 2 bars and the fuel light comes on, how many miles do I have on reserve?

If anyone knows please pass on your wisdom ....... please !

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Flyfifer on October 18, 2017, 05:03:30 PM
 :087:   Once upon a time.  ---
Fuel light on at 165 miles, indicating,according to the book, four litres of fuel left.
Refilled at 180miles (UK),  took 14.88 litres, giving 12mls per litre.
Tank capacity is quoted as 20 litres.
With 15 litres needed to fill suggests there were still 4 or 5 litres left (dependent if the tank FUEL capacity is 20 or 21 litres. Or given that I did another 15mls , suggests 6 litres left when the light came on !???!
Reading bars is pretty subjective, miles run should be the best guide --- assuming consistent riding style.
But it is annoying not having a definitive on litres left at light on.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 18, 2017, 05:35:33 PM
*Originally Posted by Flyfifer [+]
:087:   Once upon a time.  ---
Fuel light on at 165 miles, indicating,according to the book, four litres of fuel left.
Refilled at 180miles, took 14.88 litres, giving 12mls per litre.
Tank capacity is quoted as 20 litres.
With 15 litres needed to fill suggests there were still 4 or 5 litres left (dependent if the tank FUEL capacity is 20 or 21 litres.
Reading bars is pretty subjective, miles run should be the best guide --- assuming consistent riding style.

OK so, using your figures you were getting a shade under 55 mpg. That is quite good for a pre 2015 Tiger 800 it appears. I was spoiled on my 2013 V Strom, as I got regularly into the 60s and 70s mpg. It was a frugal beast if you rode it sensibly (I had the 650 V Strom).

I use this site....

http://www.mpg-calculator.co.uk/

If I get that I'll be well pleased. I really want to try and get 200 miles before I have to fill up again; if I get that I'll be pleased.

I'm waiting until I get down to 2 bars before I refill. That will give me an idea what mpg I am getting.

Thanks for the heads up on your experience.

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Flyfifer on October 18, 2017, 05:40:47 PM
I modified my post a little whilst you were typing. Mine was a 2015 XR in that info.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 18, 2017, 06:57:45 PM
Fair enough, the 2015 on models get a better mpg by 17% to 21% depending on which test you read (one was a UK test the other was a US based mpg test).

So you're going to get a much better mpg anyway I would think.

Like I said in an earlier post I am annoyed that I didn't find out the Tiger's thirst before I purchased my 2013 model.

I like the bike but I may have dug a bit deeper and got a 2015 onward road Tiger 800.

Dave  :300:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Pailton on October 19, 2017, 01:12:18 AM
Fuel consumption is all about speed, weather, weight, throttle position, gradient, friction, idling and a whole list of other variables to analyse it in too much detail.  :173:

  I've had to fill up at 150 miles before then other times I get just over 200 miles out of a tank,  :138:

 like I say way to many variables to worry about.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 19, 2017, 07:19:11 AM
*Originally Posted by Pailton [+]
Fuel consumption is all about speed, weather, weight, throttle position, gradient, friction, idling and a whole list of other variables to analyse it in too much detail.  :173:

  I've had to fill up at 150 miles before then other times I get just over 200 miles out of a tank,  :138:

 like I say way to many variables to worry about.

Agreed.

It's also about engineering and Triumph were open to criticism of the Tiger's fuel consumption and addressed it in the 2015 revamp. See here....

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/13547/2015-triumph-tiger-800-review/

 :417:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 19, 2017, 07:38:59 AM
See here I have cut & pasted the relevant bit for you....

''new engine thereís a change to the cam profiles, increasing lift for more engine efficiency. In fact, Triumph claims that fuel consumption has improved by a huge 21%: on the semi-urban cycle defined by the United States FTP75 regulation, the new Tiger 800 delivered 58mpg. On the European GTR2 test cycle, economy improved by a still impressive 17% from 55mpg to 65mpg, meaning a potential range of up to 272 miles.''

 :001:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 19, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
For the record......

mixed mainly urban and some rural riding......

2013 Tiger 800

Covered 192 miles between fill up (measured and checked etc.)

equates to 52.4 miles per (imperial ) gallon


This is my first measurement exercise and seems to tally with what others get. I expect on a run I'd get into the mid or even high 50 miles per gallon. Given the bikes reputation as a gas guzzler I suppose 52 mpg isn't bad as a fair bit of the mileage was stop start. I could have broken the 200 miles to the tank goal, but I didn't have my top box on and no spare petrol can to top me up, but the read out light said another 17 miles to go; it counts you down ! Don't know how accurate this is!

I can only dream about the Suzuki V Strom with it's petrol avoiding high 60s mpg. Never mind.  :157: It's one of life's little frustrations. Only got the 12,000 service to look forward to  :431: Oh yes, the heated grips have broken and the dealer doesn't give a s**t.

How I wish I lived in the home of the free....................the land of cheap gas  :121:  :005:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: steve@lincs on October 20, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
I  agree that the Tiger fails to make the impossible " perfect bike" status on fuel consumption and weight,  but I had all day to get from Plymouth to Lincolnshire,  so took it very steady and got 60+ mpg!
 usually it's low to mid 50s.  But the real reason for replying is to say that my mate had a 2011 XC and whenever we filled up  my 2013XC  always returned a slightly better mpg,  when he changed to a 2016 XC the situation reversed almost immediately and the gap between them increased as his became run in.
Our riding styles haven't changed so its clearly the design changes.
As previously mentioned,  the sound and ride of the Tiger makes up for it and you can't get anything out without putting something in!
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Blackbeard on October 20, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
I track my mileage and fuel and in the two years that I've owned my  2014 Tiger 800 XC SE I've noted the following.

Highest 57.3 mpg
Lowest 46.3 mpg
Average 50.2 mpg
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 20, 2017, 07:01:10 PM
*Originally Posted by steve@lincs [+]
I  agree that the Tiger fails to make the impossible " perfect bike" status on fuel consumption and weight,  but I had all day to get from Plymouth to Lincolnshire,  so took it very steady and got 60+ mpg!
 usually it's low to mid 50s.  But the real reason for replying is to say that my mate had a 2011 XC and whenever we filled up  my 2013XC  always returned a slightly better mpg,  when he changed to a 2016 XC the situation reversed almost immediately and the gap between them increased as his became run in.
Our riding styles haven't changed so its clearly the design changes.
As previously mentioned,  the sound and ride of the Tiger makes up for it and you can't get anything out without putting something in!

Thanks Steve

very good point. My 52 mpg is only one tankful and it is mainly stop - start stuff on British urban semi-urban roads. You know what it's like in the UK  :015: I envy our US cousins who often appear to have empty highways and well tarmac laid roads. Again our roads in the UK are sometime WW1 crater ways.  :013: If we only used road tax for keeping roads in good order. Rant over.

The Tiger 800 has character (lots of it) and I've only owned it for a couple of week but what has impressed is the build quality. The character and the sheer presence of an 800 which appears to have considerable 'road presence'.

I have the inconvenience of after market heated grips burning out (Oxfords ordered) and I will be asking the dealer to fit them for free (I paid for the grips).

Plus I have the 'privilege' of looking forward to the 12,000 service and oh almost forgot the bike is an ''import'' bought in Belgium by a Brit who then had it registered over here in the UK, but exactly the same as a UK model (I think).

But overall I'm pleased as I got a 2013 ABS for £4,700. It had 10,400 miles on it when i bought it.

Dave



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Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 20, 2017, 07:03:40 PM
*Originally Posted by The Guru [+]
I track my mileage and fuel and in the two years that I've owned my  2014 Tiger 800 XC SE I've noted the following.

Highest 57.3 mpg
Lowest 46.3 mpg
Average 50.2 mpg

Thanks Andy

that's helpful, cheers mate.

Dave  :017:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: Stevie.P on October 20, 2017, 07:24:49 PM
I track my mileage on fuely.com purely for interest. I don't care how much it uses.
Almost the full two years, just over 12k miles tracked. 2016 Tiger XRt returning the following.

65 fuel ups
Best 64.2 mpg
Worst 47.8 mpg
Average 55.6 mpg

I usually get the best figures when out on a decent days mileage ride with the lively SW Crew.  :028:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 20, 2017, 07:27:39 PM
The MPG and servicing all points to the fact that the Tiger is based on a race engine. Which on turn makes it alot of fun. But you pay the price.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 20, 2017, 08:14:09 PM
*Originally Posted by fac191 [+]
The MPG and servicing all points to the fact that the Tiger is based on a race engine. Which on turn makes it alot of fun. But you pay the price.

I'm racing......................to the petrol station  :156:

Yes, you are probably right, but as we've said the boffins at Triumph sprinkled their fairy dust on the 2015 revamped models to make the fuel go quite a bit further !  :031:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: KildareMan on October 20, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
After 6.5 years I've stopped recording the Tiger's consumption on the basis that rag it or baby it I just enjoy it.  Even today riding through Dublin to PwC just brought a huge grin to my face zipping past everything.  By far the best bike I've ever had.  Certainly the longest ownership.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 20, 2017, 09:50:54 PM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
After 6.5 years I've stopped recording the Tiger's consumption on the basis that rag it or baby it I just enjoy it.  Even today riding through Dublin to PwC just brought a huge grin to my face zipping past everything.  By far the best bike I've ever had.  Certainly the longest ownership.

Yes, so much truth in that point of view. Good place to be.

I have reached that point with my other bike, the Bonnie copy, the Kwacker W 800. I ride it with after market pipes and people say it sounds like an old BSA A 10  :152:

Or the other way of thinking is this: ''Ride it like you stole it.'' Not always great advice, but hey whose bothered really  :180: I've just got new bike paranoia  :019:

Just enjoy

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 09:19:01 AM
In 36 years of riding I have never checked what mpg a bike does and have never cared. fill up and have some fun and fill up again and again  :001: I don't even know what fuel cost today one pound something ? i never check, yet my wife will drive 3 miles extra to save 3p a liter ?. i always run my bikes on the good fuel and that's about it. when fuel light comes on or 100 miles on my other bikes  just fill up. when i first got the tiger 800 2013 model i filled it up and wanted two know how many miles it did before i would need to re fill . i did 201 miles then re filled, and it said i had 19 left in the tank . I think it went down to one bar at about 170 not 100% on that. never checked again Just wanted to know for long trips when i should start looking for a garage 
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: steve@lincs on October 21, 2017, 10:07:04 AM
 :0461:   the best way to solve the dilemma of how many mpg is to only buy a  set amount of fuel,  say £15 @ a time,  then whatever you're riding only costs that much at each re- fill!!!
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 01:10:20 PM
*Originally Posted by ENGLISHBANDIT [+]
In 36 years of riding I have never checked what mpg a bike does and have never cared. fill up and have some fun and fill up again and again  :001: I don't even know what fuel cost today one pound something ? i never check, yet my wife will drive 3 miles extra to save 3p a liter ?. i always run my bikes on the good fuel and that's about it. when fuel light comes on or 100 miles on my other bikes  just fill up. when i first got the tiger 800 2013 model i filled it up and wanted two know how many miles it did before i would need to re fill . i did 201 miles then re filled, and it said i had 19 left in the tank . I think it went down to one bar at about 170 not 100% on that. never checked again Just wanted to know for long trips when i should start looking for a garage

Bandit,

yes, a fair way to look at it too. Like I said, when i get a new to me bike I am a bit paranoid - then it wears off  :152: Seriously, as long as I can get 200 miles or more from a tank, that will seal it.

The other issue is in 1,300 miles when I arrive at ''the big one'' the 12,000 mile service  :156: :156: :156:

That's another story.

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 01:11:53 PM
*Originally Posted by steve@lincs [+]
:0461:   the best way to solve the dilemma of how many mpg is to only buy a  set amount of fuel,  say £15 @ a time,  then whatever you're riding only costs that much at each re- fill!!!

Logical I suppose  :001:

Would it work with £1 though ? mmmmm maybe 30 years ago ! Or more  :038: when I was a lad

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
I would not worry about valves at 12000 miles. That’s just money making. They do not need doing. I service my own bikes. I had triumph do my valve check 3 weeks ago £120 .Only bike I have ever had it done on .Only had it done for resale So as I do my own service £120 is not a big bill as rest I did myself but still think it’s a waist of money at 1200 miles. But some people say never buy a triumph an less it’s been done(utter rubbish) but had mine checked so I can say it was done. And by the way all 100% fine. I have a 17 year old cbr 929 never been done and is still spot on. And am definitely getting over 200 miles out of a tank
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 02:57:52 PM
*Originally Posted by ENGLISHBANDIT [+]
I would not worry about valves at 12000 miles. Thatís just money making. They do not need doing. I service my own bikes. I had triumph do my valve check 3 weeks ago £120 .Only bike I have ever had it done on .Only had it done for resale So as I do my own service £120 is not a big bill as rest I did myself but still think itís a waist of money at 1200 miles. But some people say never buy a triumph an less itís been done(utter rubbish) but had mine checked so I can say it was done. And by the way all 100% fine. I have a 17 year old cbr 929 never been done and is still spot on. And am definitely getting over 200 miles out of a tank

Interesting. I suppose what you're saying makes sense. That is, just get a Triumph dealer to do the valves only? Then either do the rest yourself or get a non franchise dealer to service it? The small dealer who sold it to me a couple of weeks back, did an oil/filter service and new rear brake pads and got it an MOT.

What do other people think?  :187:

My bike is a 2013 Tiger 800 Road with ABS. It's done about 10,800 miles currently so a few to go until the dreaded 12,000 miler. The engine sounds sweet by the way, no rattles, no worries etc.

Maybe I should make a new post on this topic? Anyways interested in what folk think? :017:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 21, 2017, 03:05:49 PM
If you want to save some money but want a quality service check out muddy sump, lots on here use him. The general view is the exhaust valves can tighten up, i would get them checked then if they are ok then all is good.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
Mine is a 2013 11,500 miles. I always service it mayself. As itís out of warranty it does not matter were you service it. Do it your self that way you know itís done right with good oil not the cheap sh*t. And just get the valves done. I took my bike in in the back of my van that way I had all the plastics off my self that saved an hour of triumph labour prices as long as you keep your receipts for the service parts you buy when you sell the bike people know itís been done and right it in the book . Saves lots of money. And at the same time you get to know your bike. 👍
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 21, 2017, 03:53:14 PM
As much as i agree with you about doing it yourself not everyone can so has to use someone. Also when selling your bike most buyers will look for how its been serviced and this will reflect in the price. As there are many Tigers for sale this may be an issue for some. As for oil most think fully synthetic is better than semi, however fully synthetic is for filterless use like shaft drives. Semi synthetic suspends the particles your filter wants to collect better in the oil making the filter more efficient.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 04:20:31 PM
I would never use fully synthetic oil, and agree with you 100% on that. known that for years.  I have not bought  bikes because the add says they use fully synthetic oil. If you service it yourself and keep the receipt and oil shows semi synthetic oil. Most people are fine with that as we all know a lot of us service our own bikes. I service mine every 2000 miles no matter what or every year what ever is first. My fz1 last year only did 300 miles but I will still do a service at beginning of year. My service will be better than any shop would do. I take wheels off brakes off shock off the lot. But to be honest I love to do it. I like my bike to ride like a Swiss watch. I can tell if the chain is 10mm to tight or tyre down 5 psi but guess lots of us can. But yes not everyone can do it them selves or have the tools so have to use a shop. you know and i know half the time they will not even do the air filter as it can be a pain and they know you will not check it. You can almost bet when someone buys a used bike from a shop and they say it will come fully serviced 9 times out of ten they changed the oil for some cheap stuff and changed the oil filter and sprayed some white sh*t on the chain. thats the best you can hope for from most shops.sadly its the world we live in profit profit. When ever i sell one of my bikes the first person that come to view always buys it at asking price as all my bikes are mint. And are looked after to a very very high standard.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 21, 2017, 04:36:25 PM
Wish I could do mine must save you loads over time and like you say you know what's been done. That's what I like about muddy sump you can see what he is doing. Dealers should be more open its like a magic trick all done behind a curtain !. When Darren and co did my suspension at MCT you are sat on a nice sofa watching them and can ask anything you like.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 04:37:08 PM
*Originally Posted by fac191 [+]
If you want to save some money but want a quality service check out muddy sump, lots on here use him. The general view is the exhaust valves can tighten up, i would get them checked then if they are ok then all is good.

With the exhaust valves is that a job a good mechanic can do or is it a Triumph specialist job?

Bandit's idea for the valves seems a good one, and getting all the plastics off before is another time saver too.

Pity we did have an independent Triumph mechanic down here in West Sussex. He's now gone to Lincolnshire (near Boston), good guy, but I can't find a non-franchise specialist in Triumph in West Sussex area. Unless anyone knows someone?

The local Triumph people are ''Destination Triumph'' just North of Worthing......locally they are known as ''Desperation Triumph'' , enough said  :156: :156: :156:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 21, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
You can call Trimoto 077-863-11504 am not sure how far they are from you but they have a great rep.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
*Originally Posted by fac191 [+]
You can call Trimoto 077-863-11504 am not sure how far they are from you but they have a great rep.

Cheers, that sounds OK. I'm about 50 miles from them roughly.

dave  :002:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 05:29:11 PM
Use a triumph dealer ship if you can but does not matter really. but like me when i asked them to do mine i said i would bring it in cold in my van. with all plastics off so i told them it should take no more than an hour for someone that knows what they are doing (he looked at me ? i looked back  :084:) any way i have the bill in front of me now. £78.65 labour cam seal cover £18.92 and cam seal cover screw 6 of £15.68 sothats £34.52 for the parts. with vat the hole job was £135.80. and the cam chain tens was changed in that price the part was already paid for so thats not on the bill. I sat in my van and waited for the job to be done. i watched  them push the bike in and out hour and 10 mins . at main dealer. not bad if you do it that way. and to be honest you have to take the plastics of carefully so would not want some heavy handed lad that don't give a sh*t that its not his bike snap a lug and then not tell you just put it all back (seen that before) but I guess it's easy for me to say been working on bikes sins 1982 and have every tool going. Like a lot of us I just like working on my bikes.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 21, 2017, 06:04:16 PM
I believe Trimoto, Les and Jay are ex Clive Wood mechanics.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 06:38:17 PM
Servicing your own bike is not hard at all. sh*t a kid could do most bikes. My wife rides a bike and I try to teach her stuff so she know what is going on. If you are riding a bike you should know the basics. And know how to check stuff. The thing can kill you otherwise. I got my wife to change a clutch on a zx6r and she did the hole job on her own with me just watching to make sure it was done right. No big deal and I get here to service her own bike, and she does it no problem at all. And she has only been riding 6 years. So you can learn if you want. And you may even enjoy it.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: fac191 on October 21, 2017, 07:21:43 PM
I do my brake pads and service the calipers etc and keep a check on it but I wouldn't get involved with the valves. One of the reasons I got the Tenere as there's alot less to do.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 07:26:40 PM
*Originally Posted by fac191 [+]
I believe Trimoto, Les and Jay are ex Clive Wood mechanics.

That's interesting. Clive Wood is a brilliant guy only wish he hadn't moved to Lincolnshire; I'll certainly be ringing Trimoto for their advice on service etc.

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 21, 2017, 07:31:48 PM
*Originally Posted by ENGLISHBANDIT [+]
Servicing your own bike is not hard at all. sh*t a kid could do most bikes. My wife rides a bike and I try to teach her stuff so she know what is going on. If you are riding a bike you should know the basics. And know how to check stuff. The thing can kill you otherwise. I got my wife to change a clutch on a zx6r and she did the hole job on her own with me just watching to make sure it was done right. No big deal and I get here to service her own bike, and she does it no problem at all. And she has only been riding 6 years. So you can learn if you want. And you may even enjoy it.

Agreed good to do the basics on a bike at least. Muddy sump is helpful I find. 

Funny I pamper my motorcycles, clean them , polish them,  change the oil etc etc etc. But my car, well, it's just a shopping trolley and I really can't care for it. No passion for cars (I like the old classic ones and all) whatsoever on our crowded roads one box is the same as another.

My Mrs. doesn't ride or go pillion. I don't push her to do so, I respect her and she allows me out too  :062:

I'll be cleaning and checking brakes soon (front ones).

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 07:35:08 PM
No i would not do my valves ether. i guess it would be simple to do just never done it. and to be honest the tiger is the only bike i have had it done on. as i know triumph /.bmw touring riders can be a bit funny ( don't go mad) when it comes to that stuff so had it done. will never get another bike done just no point. i know 3 or 4 good mechanics and they all say an less they go quiet or you have a problem just leave be. a bit rattly is fine. If it was not the fact my bike has just hit 11,500 miles and has full service history i would not have bothered. but it will be a good selling point for someone that knows nothing about bikes or just wants to buy a bike with everything done according to the triumph waffle.But if i had to pay full price ie around £300 i would not have had it done at all, and when selling my bike if someone tried to haggle on price  cos it was not done, They would get from me go buy someone else bike. I have never not had the first person to view one of my bikes not buy it at full price or maybe £50 off just so they can fell good.my bikes are mint 
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 21, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
My wife asked could she come out with me on the back ..... i said feck off lol if you want to come out with me  do your test. we got her a 125 did here cbt rode 3 months then past her test on a 125c had a restricted bandit for two years ( still did 110mph). then a gsxr 750 till last year now on a fz8. she done well. and to be honest can ride to. she has balls i will give her that she can not keep up with me if i chase another biker down. but seen her  pressure sport bike riders so much so they let her past or have no choice  :492:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 22, 2017, 07:05:48 AM
*Originally Posted by ENGLISHBANDIT [+]
My wife asked could she come out with me on the back ..... i said feck off lol if you want to come out with me  do your test. we got her a 125 did here cbt rode 3 months then past her test on a 125c had a restricted bandit for two years ( still did 110mph). then a gsxr 750 till last year now on a fz8. she done well. and to be honest can ride to. she has balls i will give her that she can not keep up with me if i chase another biker down. but seen her  pressure sport bike riders so much so they let her past or have no choice  :492:

 :001: :001: :001: :001:

You seem a right character.  :156:

Interesting points about servicing. Thanks. I'm going to ring Trimoto and/or Clive wood and have a chat with them about the time I hit 12,000 miles.

My Mrs. went on the back of my bike about 10 or 12 years ago but when she started making me nervous and she said she was looking at the ground speeding past, it was time to call it a day. She allows me out with my biker buddies and she's OK about me spending hours in the garage with my 2 bikes  :156:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 22, 2017, 10:04:48 AM
lol I never get it when lads say her in doors allows me out. sins i moved up north all i hear is she wont let me, don't think i could get away with that, I will have to ask :492:. like they have an opinion that matters  :492: I don't mess with her kitchen. I even bought the wife smaller shoes to help her out so she could stand closer to the sink, now that's love  :430:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 22, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
*Originally Posted by ENGLISHBANDIT [+]
lol I never get it when lads say her in doors allows me out. sins i moved up north all i hear is she wont let me, don't think i could get away with that, I will have to ask :492:. like they have an opinion that matters  :492: I don't mess with her kitchen. I even bought the wife smaller shoes to help her out so she could stand closer to the sink, now that's love  :430:

 :0461: She mostly keeps out of my garage and my den/study. That's cool I like it that way.  :017: :493:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 22, 2017, 01:11:20 PM
Yep best way always welcome  mind you if bring a coffee and cake 😬 then be gone
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: tauzero on October 22, 2017, 06:04:07 PM
On the original subject, I've got a 2015 XRx which is mainly used for commuting round rural back roads (I live by J10 of the M42 and work by J6 of the M42, so I never use the M42 as it's crap). I do go on occasional excursions using the motorways. I sometimes take my wife (who weighs the same as me, which I would classify as "cuddly"). I don't hang around and have a topbox and Givi Airflow screen. Fuel consumption varies very little, between 54 and 57 mpg.

As for 12k services and valve clearances, I've got 12k coming up on mine and I personally am completely ignoring ENGLISHBANDIT's advice - it's getting the valves checked.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 22, 2017, 07:32:25 PM
I said I would not bother with it again with what I know.Not telling anyone else not to get it done.It's down to the owner of the bike. Personally I think it's a waist of  money. but I guess those that no nothing about bikes or even know how to service one will go by the book and that is fine and probably right for them or those that think it's s must . sh*t I know riders that don't even no what there chain slack should be yet riding a 180 mph bike. Beggars belief. Same in reverse my 2016 ford custom ford says service is every 30.000 miles or two years and people stick to that. I say that's utter bollocks no van should go 30.000 miles on same oil I do mine myself every 5000 miles I know that's over the top but it's my van. Every 10.000 yes but not 30.000 no. And any good mechanic will tell you 30.000 is to long between oil changes so who is right ford or common sense. I have not met a mechanic yet and I do ask ,that says it's a must to get te valves done . 90% I have asked have said if it was there bike they would not bother and the other 10% say maybe at 20.000. Bottom line everyone with a bike in warranty must stick to the service requirement to keep there warranty. Anyone outside of warranty can do what ever they think is right. if money is no problem get it done it won't hurt and probably the right thing to do. I Have a 2015 Fz1n with 3000 miles on it I do not know when the valve should be checked and don't care. I am keeping the bike for years but still will not get it done. But that's my bike and my choice if I through for one second me not getting it done would damage my bike trust me I would get it done.  Everyone must do what they think is best. Some will agree and some will disagree no one person is right. Not even saying I am it's just what I do.But I do feel sorry for people that don't know much about bikes and take them to main dealers or any bike shop for a service and valves ( or whatever work to be done ) and get a bill for over £300. When I bought my tiger it has lots of extras on it and going through the paper work I was shocked at some of the labour price charged. For small jobs. But when people have no idea ,they can get away with it. Talk nice to you give you a cupper they can tell if you know what you are talking about or not . And I guess that lets them know what to charge you :084:. I had a mate who's bike would not start I was not about so he took it in to his local bike shop (big one). He went back later that day picked it up. They told him the plugs were really old and needed changing  and needed a new battery 2 hours labour and new plugs £190 bill . Funny that only 2 weeks before I had put all new iridium plugs in his bike doing a full service for him. But they knew when he dropped the bike off he had no idea about bikes , he would have said just fix it I just put the key in and go. :138:. I see it all the time. He probably only had a dead battery. Anyway do not want to piss anyone off if in doubt take you bike to a shop every time but mark your old parts in a place that is not obvious and when you get your bike back check the work has been done. I took a major well known car/van main dealer to trading standards for say work was done when it was not. I could go on and on about main dealers trying to rip people off and smaller dealerships . My dad took his Jag to a main dealer that told him he needed new discs when he was having his Jag mot'ed they called him and said did he want them to do the work so it could pass the mot  I had already checked the discs so told him to tell them no as there was still a month on the mot. He took it to another local garage got them to do the mot told them about the discs they said there was nothing wrong with them and passed the cars mot. Then 12 moths later he had the Jag serviced with the same main dealer and they gave the car a full health check and guess what no problems at all with the discs yet Jag had done another 8000 miles funny that yet 12 months before they wanted almost £500 for discs and pads. When confronted they said that's what the mot people said and we use an independent garage. Yes but garage will get a kick back that's is for sure. TRIUMPH say oil change at 500, then 6000 then 12000 then 18000 so 6000 miles between oil changes .I would never let a bike go 6000 between oil changes but that's just me I think that's to much I do mine ever 2000 no matter what.  Feck me that's  a long rant  :087:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 22, 2017, 08:05:25 PM
*Originally Posted by ENGLISHBANDIT [+]
I said I would not bother with it again with what I know.Not telling anyone else not to get it done.It's down to the owner of the bike. Personally I think it's a waist of  money. but I guess those that no nothing about bikes or even know how to service one will go by the book and that is fine and probably right for them or those that think it's s must . sh*t I know riders that don't even no what there chain slack should be yet riding a 180 mph bike. Beggars belief. Same in reverse my 2016 ford custom ford says service is every 30.000 miles or two years and people stick to that. I say that's utter bollocks no van should go 30.000 miles on same oil I do mine myself every 5000 miles I know that's over the top but it's my van. Every 10.000 yes but not 30.000 no. And any good mechanic will tell you 30.000 is to long between oil changes so who is right ford or common sense. I have not met a mechanic yet and I do ask ,that says it's a must to get te valves done . 90% I have asked have said if it was there bike they would not bother and the other 10% say maybe at 20.000. Bottom line everyone with a bike in warranty must stick to the service requirement to keep there warranty. Anyone outside of warranty can do what ever they think is right. if money is no problem get it done it won't hurt and probably the right thing to do. I Have a 2015 Fz1n with 3000 miles on it I do not know when the valve should be checked and don't care. I am keeping the bike for years but still will not get it done. But that's my bike and my choice if I through for one second me not getting it done would damage my bike trust me I would get it done.  Everyone must do what they think is best. Some will agree and some will disagree no one person is right. Not even saying I am it's just what I do.But I do feel sorry for people that don't know much about bikes and take them to main dealers or any bike shop for a service and valves ( or whatever work to be done ) and get a bill for over £300. When I bought my tiger it has lots of extras on it and going through the paper work I was shocked at some of the labour price charged. For small jobs. But when people have no idea ,they can get away with it. Talk nice to you give you a cupper they can tell if you know what you are talking about or not . And I guess that lets them know what to charge you :084:. I had a mate who's bike would not start I was not about so he took it in to his local bike shop (big one). He went back later that day picked it up. They told him the plugs were really old and needed changing  and needed a new battery 2 hours labour and new plugs £190 bill . Funny that only 2 weeks before I had put all new iridium plugs in his bike doing a full service for him. But they knew when he dropped the bike off he had no idea about bikes , he would have said just fix it I just put the key in and go. :138:. I see it all the time. He probably only had a dead battery. Anyway do not want to piss anyone off if in doubt take you bike to a shop every time but mark your old parts in a place that is not obvious and when you get your bike back check the work has been done. I took a major well known car/van main dealer to trading standards for say work was done when it was not. I could go on and on about main dealers trying to rip people off and smaller dealerships . My dad took his Jag to a main dealer that told him he needed new discs when he was having his Jag mot'ed they called him and said did he want them to do the work so it could pass the mot  I had already checked the discs so told him to tell them no as there was still a month on the mot. He took it to another local garage got them to do the mot told them about the discs they said there was nothing wrong with them and passed the cars mot. Then 12 moths later he had the Jag serviced with the same main dealer and they gave the car a full health check and guess what no problems at all with the discs yet Jag had done another 8000 miles funny that yet 12 months before they wanted almost £500 for discs and pads. When confronted they said that's what the mot people said and we use an independent garage. Yes but garage will get a kick back that's is for sure. TRIUMPH say oil change at 500, then 6000 then 12000 then 18000 so 6000 miles between oil changes .I would never let a bike go 6000 between oil changes but that's just me I think that's to much I do mine ever 2000 no matter what.  Feck me that's  a long rant  :087:


Bandit, thanks for this, good post again. :031:

I've started a post on the servicing thread and if you don't mind I'll transfer your above (super) contribution to that one?

Cheers mate, very valuable POV. By the way on advice I've messaged Muddy Sump. I'm an OK basics person e.g. oil/filter, pads etc etc etc, in fact I always like doing it and I totally agree with you on the oil. Especially with a motorcycle. But you are right even on a 4 wheeler like a van or car......changing the oil is crucial. On a bike they run at higher pressures and the need for good oil cannot be over  stated.

Great to be on a forum with some great people.

Dave  :460: :152:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: ENGLISHBANDIT on October 22, 2017, 08:20:01 PM
Top man Dave your welcome to move it any place I stand by what I say even if some people will disagree,it's a free world at the moment so we all have a right to an opinion as long as it's not offensive .And yes oil change  is the most important thing you can do for an engine. I only use top branded oil . Guess it helps I am trade and can get my oil and filters cheap. My van does about 15000 miles a year so gets 3 oil changes one main dealer service to keep warranty and two buy me that they do not know about. Warranty runs out in 6 months I will then service it myself. As ford charge £200 to do a service piss take for oil ,oil filter and air filter not £50 of parts and less than an hour  £150 labour to have some kid to do the work it's a joke but someone has to,pay for the big fancy show room and free tea  :192: I have same bike as you 2013 abs tiger 800 11.500 miles just for the record when they did my valves and I did mark the gasket so know that was changed so guess it was done .I was told all were perfect and nothing needed doing . What people forget the main dealers make more on servicing and billing for work done than they do selling a new bike. They make very little profit on a new bike sale. Probably make more on a second had bike sale giving some numpty way less than it's worth on a trade in and selling it over priced. Don't blame them that's business. From what I do read on here sounds like muddysump is a right man good to hear there are still some good old school people still working out there . What would be good  if shops had glass to see in the work shops so a customer can watch what's going on and how long it takes. Would be the first to take a bike to a shop that did that.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 28, 2017, 06:41:02 PM
Yes well said EB, :493:

all agreed.

Just out of interest I have got nearly 200 miles out of my last tank full and this time I am on target to get 217 miles. I am happy with that, especially as it is 60 or 70% crappy stop start stuff on the South Coast of England. I do some steadier rides but in short, please with 200 miles per tank and maybe a bit more. :300:

My Tiger has just had an oil & filter and that will take it through until February when it gets it's ''big service''. Mean time I must clean and check the front brakes (Muddy Sump thank you sir for your clip).

I think what you say about the motor trade many know this. My main bike guy I trust 100% but he won't do the big service as he doesn't specialise in bikes, although he is very good and 100% thorough (he mainly does cars) and it's not worth him getting all the triumph stuff as he services bikes of all makes (unlike Muddy who has all the kit for triumphs).

Safe riding and a good autumn soon be Christmas  :028: :492: :492: :492: :492:

Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 31, 2017, 03:16:37 PM
Tiger 800 road achieved 58.3 MPG over one tankful.

I was monitoring the mileage and thought this gave me a very reasonable mpg. I wasn't going crazy but making progress, but very pleased with this economy on a 2013 machine.

Got well over 200 miles to the tank.

Very pleased. Especially as the engines pre 2015 have a thirsty reputation. If I'd have got 55 mpg I'd have been happy, but at nearly 59 mpg absolutely delighted.

Dave

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Dave  :001:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: chico on October 31, 2017, 03:37:30 PM
Very unusual!

Chico
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 31, 2017, 04:21:01 PM
*Originally Posted by chico [+]
Very unusual!

Chico

I'm not complaining !

Dave  :038:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: KildareMan on October 31, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
*Originally Posted by chico [+]
Very unusual!

Chico

Nah.  Best ever tank was 64.36 mpg (imperial) - Travelling through Snowdonia and Wales in general.  Not that that matters.  What matters is lack of stop start and low speed. 
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 31, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
Nah.  Best ever tank was 64.36 mpg (imperial) - Travelling through Snowdonia and Wales in general.  Not that that matters.  What matters is lack of stop start and low speed.

You're right, nevertheless I was a happy bunny, as I achieved this figure on mixed urban crap riding and some stop start dual carriageway stuff. So all in all happy bunny time for me. :001: :016:

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The 2015 onwards bikes are less thirsty; just to show me if no one else higher mpg can be achieved.

Safe riding all.

Dave  :300:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: KildareMan on October 31, 2017, 09:06:35 PM
With stop start in the mix you did well. Wonder what the new Tiger will do. Will have to be special for me to change ould yella.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on October 31, 2017, 09:30:59 PM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
With stop start in the mix you did well. Wonder what the new Tiger will do. Will have to be special for me to change ould yella.
Gentle with the right wrist helped a lot KM.

I just needed to prove to myself I could coax the Tiger to give, it won't be like that most of the time I can assure you  :492:

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Dave
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: street tango on November 01, 2017, 03:07:19 PM
*Originally Posted by fac191 [+]
I believe Trimoto, Les and Jay are ex Clive Wood mechanics.
Clive is a one man band except when he had some help from a chap called Jay on a Saturday but a different Jay.
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on November 01, 2017, 03:29:08 PM
*Originally Posted by street tango [+]
Clive is a one man band except when he had some help from a chap called Jay on a Saturday but a different Jay.

So wish Clive was still round the corner to me, Street Tango !

Dave  :017:
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: street tango on November 01, 2017, 05:29:28 PM
*Originally Posted by davexavier [+]
So wish Clive was still round the corner to me, Street Tango !

Dave  :017:
A lot of his old customers still go up to him.
On here a lots use muddysump but on the street triple forum it's all clive. Although he still does a fair few tigers
Title: Re: The old question of MPG and the Tiger
Post by: davexavier on November 01, 2017, 07:03:16 PM
Thanks ST

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Enjoy your bikes !

Dave  :038: