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Title: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on October 27, 2017, 09:46:07 AM
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Some interesting details there - but is the featured bike the replacement for the 800 or the Explorer? I guess we'll have to wait a couple of weeks to find out.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: HH007 on October 27, 2017, 10:36:06 AM
Updates for both the 800 and 1200 I reckon. There's a sprocket and chain on one of the bikes, so at least the 800. Can't wait.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on October 27, 2017, 10:37:50 AM
Yup, no big anchor of a shaft drive on at least one of them, thankfully

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on October 27, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
Could be a new Tiger "family" as defo a chain in one shot and the front end "look" of a 1200 in another.  TFT instruments.  That seems to get a lot of people excited for some reason.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: HH007 on October 27, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
Rear foot peg hanger looks to be welded to the frame (6 seconds in) :138:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on October 27, 2017, 01:25:39 PM
Hmmm...

Thought this was just a matching facelift, with some new bits of tech, but it does say "new engine" so ....  :027: what does that mean.

MCN says replacement for 800, Visordown is adamant it's still a 800.

Confused or what  :087:

Visordown says 2018 range is as follows:

Tiger XR – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger XRX – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger XCX – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger XRT – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger XCA – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger XRX (LRH) – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger XCX (LRH) – 800cc – 95PS

Tiger 1200 XR – 1215cc – 139PS

Tiger 1200 XRX – 1215cc – 139PS

Tiger 1200 XCX – 1215cc – 139PS

Tiger 1200 XRT – 1215cc – 139PS

Tiger 1200 XCA – 1215cc – 139PS

Tiger 1200 XRX (LRH) – 1215cc – 139PS
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: HH007 on October 27, 2017, 01:31:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]

Thought this was just a matching facelift, with some new bits of tech, but it does say "new engine" so ....  :027: what does that mean.


It could be read ether way, the words on the video say 'New Tiger (new line) Triple Engine'  It doesn't say 'New Tiger Triple Engine'  :027:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on October 27, 2017, 03:10:27 PM
*Originally Posted by HH007 [+]
Rear foot peg hanger looks to be welded to the frame (6 seconds in) :138:

DON'T start that old chestnut again.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on October 27, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
Some stuff there you'd expect
LED headlamp
Colour LCD instruments

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tiggerton on October 27, 2017, 03:42:03 PM
*Originally Posted by HH007 [+]
It could be read ether way, the words on the video say 'New Tiger (new line) Triple Engine'  It doesn't say 'New Tiger Triple Engine'  :027:

Slipper Clutch?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on October 27, 2017, 03:57:11 PM
*Originally Posted by HH007 [+]
Rear foot peg hanger looks to be welded to the frame (6 seconds in) :138:
Looking at what I can see and guessing, the frame will be unchanged.

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: glenn389 on October 28, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Looks to me on the close up shots that Brembo can be seen on the front brake calipers.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on October 28, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
What brand are the callipers on the current Explorer?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: glenn389 on October 28, 2017, 10:34:23 PM
Should have said that the forks look like being from the 800 that the calipers are on.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: felix on October 28, 2017, 10:41:40 PM
Hope visor down have got it wrong....

Not too bothered about the 95 ps ...  more interested in Nm !

If the motor is still a similar spec, then I fear it will be a step backwards..... as the competition moves on...

Fingers crossed !
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: K1W1 on October 28, 2017, 11:12:30 PM
Every bike Triumph has released in the last 12 months or so has a larger capacity engine than its predecessor I assume due to euro 4 issues so I can’t see why the Tiger will be the exception to the rule.
From a pure marketing point of view a 900 Tiger battles more aggressively with the new 900 BMW GS that an 800 Tiger would.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: NEPAChuy on October 29, 2017, 04:23:36 AM
We won’t be seeing a 900.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigermainia on October 29, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
Went to my dealer yesterday and they said no change in engine capacity!!!!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Psychopasta on October 29, 2017, 05:51:52 PM
That's really interesting, if true, that the capacity is not changing. There has been a lot of discussion on this forum, and others I'm on, about downsizing to smaller, lighter bikes. I have to say that my 2012 Roadie's engine is just great, and I'm sure the current model is even better at the same capacity. Maybe Triumph is going to call the bluff of all the downsizers, like me, who claim they want lighter weight more than more power. Lighter weight, lower weight, more power is the order of importance for me. Looking forward to seeing what Triumph launches!

- P
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on October 29, 2017, 05:54:45 PM
Maybe it'll be a lightly reworked variant of the new 765 triple.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on October 29, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
If the latest tiger goes on a diet and cuts a small amount of weight...
I would seriously consider a new Tiger, as opposed to hunting for a second hand XRX.
 :006:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: maninthejar on October 30, 2017, 07:22:41 PM
*Originally Posted by Tigermainia [+]
Went to my dealer yesterday and they said no change in engine capacity!!!!

This ties in with a news article about Motorcycle Live on the Triumph website:

*Originally Posted by Triumph

For those looking to start a new adventure, we will be showing off our Tiger Sport 1050, Tiger 800 and Tiger Explorer Range


The full announcement at: http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/news-and-events/events/uk/2017/november/motorcycle_live_2017

I'm booked to go the second Saturday of the show so hopefully will see the new T800 and other new Triumphs in the flesh.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: upthepalace on October 31, 2017, 10:06:03 AM
*Originally Posted by NEPAChuy [+]
We won’t be seeing a 900.

Agreed  :028: I have been told twice categorically that the new model will remain an 800.  Firstly 1 month ago and at the same time was told that Triumph hadn't registered any new 900cc bikes with the DVLA (test mules) and then again, same source as recently as Saturday just gone.  IMHO it doesn't need to be bigger, it's a beautiful engine.  If you need bigger then there's the Explorer.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on October 31, 2017, 10:12:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see if they try to market it as a new model or a face lift
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Derchef1962 on October 31, 2017, 02:08:38 PM
Interesting news... but I guess there will be a substantial change to the "small" Tiger as they chucking out parts for reduced prices like the protection pack...
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Dave8XRT on November 02, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
Maybe the video was for 800 and Explorer as the bike at 5 seconds in is definitely shaft drive.

We shall have to wait and see...!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Its my Triumph on November 02, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
Yep updated tigers are coming but next year both bikes will be known as Tigers the explore name is going and in 24 months time a new new 800 Roger will come all
New everything.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 02, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
*Originally Posted by Its my Triumph [+]
Yep updated tigers are coming but next year both bikes will be known as Tigers the explore name is going and in 24 months time a new new 800 Roger will come all
New everything.

That may well turn out to be correct, but at the moment all that is pure speculation of course.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Leicester Tiger on November 02, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
Hmmm, looks like that was filmed at least in part near bear lake in Colorado  :017:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 03, 2017, 06:39:30 AM
*Originally Posted by upthepalace [+]
I have been told twice categorically that the new model will remain an 800.

Im still hoping it will actually have exactly 35cc's less  :020:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: davamb on November 03, 2017, 07:09:01 AM
Soon as you turn it on, it tells you a service is upcoming...
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: T800XC on November 03, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
According to a document filed by Triumph in the USA, there are some new bike VIN designations as follows...

Tiger XR / XRX / XCX / XRT / XCA / XRX (LRH) / XCX (LRH), but the engine size, power and type hasn't changed in the listing compared to the current 800cc model.

For the Explorer, the name is changing to Tiger 1200, with variants of XR / XRX / XCX / XRT / XCA / XRX (LRH). As with the above, the engine size & power are listed as the same as current models but there is a new engine type designation which, bizarrely, recycles the 'E' designation previously assigned to some 900cc bikes.

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Yorkie199 on November 04, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
800 cc belt drive 👍
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Pizzarepairman on November 04, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
I will be in Milan on Tuesday afternoon, so hoping to see it for real
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 04, 2017, 08:41:27 PM
*Originally Posted by Yorkie199 [+]
800 cc belt drive 👍

Chain is more efficient.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: charliemopic on November 05, 2017, 07:56:51 AM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
That may well turn out to be correct, but at the moment all that is pure speculation of course.

Went on the new factory tour last week and they are churning out 8 new Tiger 1200 per hour. The explorer name has def disappeared from the fuel tanks. The LED lights look really good, can't wait to see how the 800 looks.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Yorkie199 on November 05, 2017, 09:09:17 AM
*Originally Posted by charliemopic [+]
Went on the new factory tour last week and they are churning out 8 new Tiger 1200 per hour. The explorer name has def disappeared from the fuel tanks. The LED lights look really good, can't wait to see how the 800 looks.
I guess we'll have to wait and see .....not long now but I stand by my original post 😀
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: RaglandT on November 06, 2017, 12:01:29 AM
*Originally Posted by Yorkie199 [+]
800 cc belt drive 👍

Funny looking belt drive on the Tiger 800 in the teaser video

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Yorkie199 on November 06, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
*Originally Posted by RaglandT [+]
Funny looking belt drive on the Tiger 800 in the teaser video
We'll see tomorrow I guess 😀
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 06, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
*Originally Posted by RaglandT [+]
Funny looking belt drive on the Tiger 800 in the teaser video

Think it was more a wish than a statement.  An adventure bike with belt drive would not last.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 06, 2017, 11:01:47 AM
I will be in Milan on Tuesday afternoon, so hoping to see it for real

Neat, keep us updated  :028:

Was determined to go myself this year but really busy at the moment so no time.  :006:

On a side note I've noticed this guy below on YouTube. His first vid below is just about getting to Milan for the show, but could a promising insight as he says he will be doing a seperate vid for each manufacturer. No idea if he'll cover Triumph or whether it'll be any good but we'll see.

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Funny looking belt drive on the Tiger 800 in the teaser video

Here's a screen grab from the vid. Looks like a chain to me.

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LcbT.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Pizzarepairman on November 06, 2017, 12:35:44 PM
I'll take some pictures etc then I'll need to find some wifi to upload unless you can think of a quicker way to get them??
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 06, 2017, 01:12:56 PM
I'll take some pictures etc then I'll need to find some wifi to upload unless you can think of a quicker way to get them??

Are you using a phone for pics, I'm guessing not.

If you were and you had a Photos Gallery (https://photos.tiger800.co.uk/) account then you could literally take a photo and upload it to your post in one go (network connection permitting).

1. Ensure you are logged in to Photos Gallery (you don't need to be but it's easier. Tick "stay logged in" option.
2. Compose forum post up to point where you want to insert photo.
3. Click on "Upload Images" button beneath post composition box.
4. You'll be taken to Photos Gallery (your post will stay intact and has not gone).
5. In the upload options click on the blue text that says "..take a picture.."
6. Take you photo on your phone. Click on "OK".
7. Image appears in Photos Gallery. You can choose an album to put it in if you already have some created (in advance).
8. Click on green "Upload" button to confirm.
9. Image gets upload to Gallery and you are instantly returned to your post with the image link inserted.
10. Save post - done. The image you just took is in your post and you have a copy in the Gallery.

Sounds complicated but if you try it a few times it's actually really quick and easy.

You don't have to do this from your post. You could just login to Gallery and click on "Upload", choose "take a picture..". Then actually take pic and it'll sent to your chosen Gallery folder. Then later on grab the image links in one go and put them into a post.

It's all pretty flexible in that sense. As I say it's actually not that complicated, you just need to play with it for a while.  :038:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Pizzarepairman on November 06, 2017, 01:59:07 PM
I am using an iPhone.

Thanks for the guidance, I will give it a go
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: charliemopic on November 06, 2017, 05:16:27 PM
http://m.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800 (http://m.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800)    :047: :417:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: blacktiger on November 06, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
2018? Really? I don't see anything that confirms 2018. Indeed, right at the bottom it says:- © 2013-2017 Triumph Motorcycles
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: NEPAChuy on November 06, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
 :493:

Looks to have been taken down now.

(I saw everything before it was taken away!)

EDIT: maintains 800cc capacity (did not see anything about 765cc), new LED headlights, 5-way adjustable screen, TFT dash, 6 rider modes, lower first gear, lighter exhaust, Brembo front brakes on XC, WP suspension on XC (still), better ergonomics, more comfortable seat
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 06, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
Gone off now....interesting, but before it disappeared

Not much to offer really from the 2017, the new clock is nice, the suspension update was wanted, Brembo brakes, I find good anyway on mine, first gear moded, why? 
I think this is an interim update.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: NEPAChuy on November 06, 2017, 06:00:39 PM
First gear is made shorter for better off road use. Also, I tried to summarize the updates in my edited post above
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 06, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
I can't now un-see it  :001:

.......unless they send the MIB round
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on November 06, 2017, 06:46:29 PM
Anyone got it cached and able to put up screenshots?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 06, 2017, 06:53:25 PM
Big difference in design?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: NEPAChuy on November 06, 2017, 06:56:10 PM
No cached copy on my end (browser eager to refresh cache). It should go live tomorrow, though.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: charliemopic on November 06, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:image.ibb.co/drNBNb/dsc7336_grd.jpg)

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(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:image.ibb.co/k86MNb/7j9a9431_grd_rt.jpg)

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:image.ibb.co/e6DPaw/7j9a9463_crop.jpg)

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:image.ibb.co/bu6cvw/7j9a9928_grd.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 06, 2017, 07:11:01 PM
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s1.postimg.org/6fzuhlq3a7/Tiger-800-_XRT-detail-_18.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s1.postimg.org/11quritqrz/7_J9_A8840_GRD.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s1.postimg.org/98f0pn2qgv/Tiger800-xcx-_CT3-_RHS-_Crystal-_White.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s1.postimg.org/1kn0g2l827/Tiger800-xrt-_CR3-_RHS-_Silver-_Ice.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s1.postimg.org/7e601d5dn3/Tiger800-_CG3-_RHS-_Jet-_Black.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s1.postimg.org/8ikqwxrvr3/7_J9_A9317_GRD.jpg)


Can I stop now please?   :001:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: NEPAChuy on November 06, 2017, 07:13:14 PM
^^^ these guys!



 :028:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: charliemopic on November 06, 2017, 07:14:31 PM
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:image.ibb.co/n8xZaw/Tiger_800_XCA_2.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on November 06, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
Cheers! Not at all keen on the new Tiger graphic on the tank, but the rest looks good. Is that XR paintwork dark grey?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 06, 2017, 07:58:32 PM
Nice sneaky find  :028:

I've merged the topic of the pics on Triumph's website with the Teaser video topic as we might as well keep it all together.

 :031:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 06, 2017, 08:21:28 PM
I also have both videos  :001:

Dare I???
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: T800XC on November 06, 2017, 08:24:23 PM
This page is fully working at the moment...go fill your boots folks...  :152:

New 2018 Tiger 800 (http://www.triumphmotorcycles.cr/triumph-motorcycles/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on November 06, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
Any guesses on pricing and availability?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 06, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
Any guesses on pricing and availability?

Dealers in America are saying not until March 2018, no price available until then
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: kokkios on November 06, 2017, 09:01:44 PM
I like it overall! But there will definitely be a bump in the price i am guessing

New lights remind me of Moto Guzzi Stelvio
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 06, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
Looking good !
Not keen on the new Blue or the vinyl on the fairing.
But the White looks great, just a shame it’s not TFT across the range.
Look forward to the pricing and wet weight details  :001:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Psychopasta on November 06, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
Looks great. Deffo interested. Wonder if the new screen works?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: maninthejar on November 06, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
1200 page live also, albeit with some typos

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.cr/triumph-motorcycles/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/1200
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: t8coco on November 07, 2017, 06:31:01 AM
*Originally Posted by T800XC [+]
This page is fully working at the moment...go fill your boots folks...  :152:

New 2018 Tiger 800 (http://www.triumphmotorcycles.cr/triumph-motorcycles/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800)
just a tarting up, disappionting!! :084:
looks like i will hold on to my speed r for a while longer  :010:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigermainia on November 07, 2017, 08:41:41 AM
 :0461: no real need to change my '15 XRx
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: HH007 on November 07, 2017, 09:21:08 AM
A cosmetic and tech update. Not keen on the new colours in the images, a bit Miami Vice...

Keep an eye on BMW for their new F850/900GS. More power than the current model and a new 270degree firing twin.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 07, 2017, 09:22:09 AM
Ooooh.  Illuminated switch gear!!

XR decal looks naff and is probably lacquered over.

Like the DRL's though. 
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 07, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
*Originally Posted by HH007 [+]
A cosmetic and tech update. Not keen on the new colours in the images, a bit Miami Vice...

Keep an eye on BMW for their new F850/900GS. More power than the current model and a new 270degree firing twin.

But since their current model is pushing out around 84 will the update be that much better?  Big problem I see is that BMW will decline the warranty claims or ignore them.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: HH007 on November 07, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
But since their current model is pushing out around 84 will the update be that much better?  Big problem I see is that BMW will decline the warranty claims or ignore them.

More horsepower than the new Tiger, maybe/maybe not. It should at least match the Tiger in the horsepower department but likely offer more torque.

Warranty claims... another subject, but a BMW owning friend has been well looked after. I have no experience with Triumph warranty claims, which attests to their quality!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 07, 2017, 09:33:36 AM
The question for me is do these 2018 updates warrant consideration of the new Tiger.
Or does a second hand XRX offer better value?

We wont know how all the "improvements" affect the ride/comfort/tank range ect.
If I could have a 17 plate XRX with the LED headlights and windshield I'd bite Triumphs hand off  :020:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: upthepalace on November 07, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
*Originally Posted by Rogue_Shadow [+]
The question for me is do these 2018 updates warrant consideration of the new Tiger.
Or does a second hand XRX offer better value?

We wont know how all the "improvements" affect the ride/comfort/tank range ect.
If I could have a 17 plate XRX with the LED headlights and windshield I'd bite Triumphs hand off  :020:

Might be just me but I'm not sure how the current model can be improved much, if at all (OE tyres apart).  My '17 XRT is superb, doesn't need any more power/bigger engine etc, etc and I'd be changing just for the sake of having the latest and greatest model.  Agree too, don't like that tank graphic?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: HH007 on November 07, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
*Originally Posted by upthepalace [+]
Might be just me but I'm not sure how the current model can be improved much, if at all (OE tyres apart).  My '17 XRT is superb, doesn't need any more power/bigger engine etc, etc and I'd be changing just for the sake of having the latest and greatest model.  Agree too, don't like that tank graphic?

Agreed, no compelling reason to upgrade so far as I can tell. The tank graphics cheapen the look for me, I'm out until I get to see one and make my mind up properly.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: maninthejar on November 07, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
*Originally Posted by Rogue_Shadow [+]

If I could have a 17 plate XRX with the LED headlights and windshield I'd bite Triumphs hand off  :020:

Maybe you could have the headlights on a 17 plate XRX - have a look at this post.  :084:

https://www.street-triple.co.uk/index.php/topic,31670.0.html
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: InsaneKitty on November 07, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
Having just bought a 2017 XRT a few months ago, kinda wish I waited. But like anything there is always newer and better.

I'm waiting for them to arrive in the the showrooms and seeing what is interchangeable with the 2017 model and whether it's worth changing some small bits over that I prefer.....fingers crossed the new screen looks like it has similar mounting points..maybe???

But it's about time they fixed the messed up first gear and finally some form of adjustment in the suspension area :)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Jack Jones on November 07, 2017, 12:36:46 PM
Had itchy feet for the past 6 months and was hoping the 2018 model would have been a much bigger update. As well as the new changes, I was hoping for a bike with a bigger engine and a lower centre of gravity.
Guess I'll be jumping ship temporarily come next summer. I quite like the Ducati Multistrada 950, and if they come up with an option to fit cruise control and tubeless tyres to an Africa twin in 2018, then Honda could well be my next ride until my next Tiger comes along!  :431:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Derchef1962 on November 07, 2017, 01:20:53 PM
if all this is true than I will be more than happy to ride my 2013 roadie till it dies. I'd been tempted to get a new tiger with a little bit more power and torque but that does not seem to happen at least in 2018. The improvements made are nice but just simply gadget I do not need.

Seems my old trustworthy companion is staying for quite some time.

Maybe I am saving the money for a new Speedmaster....
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: DonVulpes on November 07, 2017, 01:28:29 PM
I was tempted to hold off on the purchase of my '17 XRT, as we knew the new bike was imminent. Given the great trade-in and cheap accessory prices, I'm glad I didn't. Purely a guess, but I would say the new bike will be £1500 dearer and my trade-in less valuable. I'm still getting a cracking bike with ( hopefully ) most of the serious glitches ironed out.

 :300:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Paulhere on November 07, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
I would have liked to see on the latest models, the pillion hangers be a bolt on job similar to the Tiger 1050 & Explorer, instead of welded direct to the frame as they currently are. I've heard of a few bikes being written off due to low speed spills bending the frame. On the other tigers the hangers will snap off, not cheap but better than a new frame or a write off. Maybe that's why our insurance is so high.

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Shergar on November 07, 2017, 02:55:58 PM
With the rumours of a major update I did wonder about waiting when I ordered my XRT but decided that I would rather get the bike sooner and be able to use it, would have liked the LED headlights and the illuminated switches but the update is not as much as I felt it might be.

Given that I kept the Bonneville for nigh on 10 years I'm not too worried about any drop in residual on my 67 plate XRT and  am just enjoying having it, I only use two riding modes and I rarely find myself wanting to adjust suspension very much as I don't ride anywhere near the bikes limits and always solo, so what I have suits me perfectly. Unlike the Bonneville I feel the need to ride this one more than clean it :001:

Not that I would say no to a 2018 Tiger if Mrs Shergar decided I needed one for Xmas, but out of all the things  that she wont do, buying me a new bike is pretty high up on the list so thats not going to happen.





Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tiggerton on November 07, 2017, 03:14:12 PM
Pillion hangers still welded on. Good pics on MCN site.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/2018-triumph-tiger/
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 07, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
Still no mention on the price for updated Tiger ...
The new F750GS does look really good though  :430:

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/110717-2018-bmw-f750gs-f850gs-P90283259_highRes-582x388.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Pizzarepairman on November 07, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
Just taken these at Milan. Apologies for the quality

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LLAA.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LfHp.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LT7c.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Lhu4.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LloR.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LmKd.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LtbU.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LXhC.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LoYr.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LyaJ.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LVNh.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: nobsta on November 07, 2017, 04:16:03 PM
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800


Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: prenticemarie on November 07, 2017, 04:20:22 PM
*Originally Posted by nobsta [+]
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800
Best link for full specs ... What's the difference between the XRx and XRt  :187:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: nobsta on November 07, 2017, 04:31:37 PM
probably about 3 grand...lol
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 07, 2017, 04:37:24 PM
*Originally Posted by prenticemarie [+]
Best link for full specs ... What's the difference between the XRx and XRt  :187:

Here

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800#range

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: davexavier on November 07, 2017, 04:44:56 PM
2018 Good looker or not? What do people think of the lines? Is the aesthetic important or is it too similar?

 :017: Triumph say it has 200 improvements, but less of ''the details'' what about the overall impression? Or are the finer 200 improvements crucial?

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/L1A5.jpg)



For the detail......here.....


https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2018-triumph-tiger-800/

Triumph publicity shots here.....


(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Lq7Y.jpg)


Dave

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LGDf.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: prenticemarie on November 07, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
Here
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure-and-touring/tiger/2018/800#range
Yes I read that, and I assumed the XRt was higher spec than XRx, ... BUT there appears to be items on the XRx spec that are not on the XRt spec, e.g. Centre Stand & Handgaurds  :187:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 07, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
Just taken these at Milan. Apologies for the quality

Quality is fine.

Many thanks for the pics, appreciated  :028:

 :031:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 07, 2017, 05:09:47 PM
So we got brembo brakes. Ok, thats nice.

Adjustable windscreen isnt really a new feature is it? (my 2012 model has the adjustable triump touring screen). That slot in the screen might cause some turbulence issues though.

Also not sure if i like the design more than the previous one. Maybe it has to grow on me. Is there some place where i can see the available colors?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 07, 2017, 05:12:32 PM
*Originally Posted by Davy [+]

 Is there some place where i can see the available colors?

That link above?

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 07, 2017, 05:19:10 PM
Has anyone noticed the XR has Nissin brakes rather than Brembos?

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: davexavier on November 07, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
Of course, Triumph, like all motorcycle makers, wants the hype.

Over 200 improvements?

Well, lets see the first owners reviews ; I suspect much of it is cosmetic or am I being cynical here?

Anyway a nice bike that Triumph is 100% committed to improving so not all bad then !

Dave  :015:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 07, 2017, 05:29:42 PM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
That link above?

You mean those 4 shades of gray?

*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
Has anyone noticed the XR has Nissin brakes rather than Brembos?

The spec sheet of XR clearly states that it also has brembo brakes.
Check the bottom of the page:
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2018-triumph-tiger-800/
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 07, 2017, 05:31:33 PM
*Originally Posted by Davy [+]
You mean those 4 shades of gray?

The spec sheet of XR clearly states that it also has brembo brakes.
Check the bottom of the page:
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2018-triumph-tiger-800/

On the triumph spec sheet

Brakes Front   Twin 305 mm floating discs, Nissin 2­piston sliding calipers, Switchable ABS
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 07, 2017, 05:34:39 PM
*Originally Posted by Davy [+]
You mean those 4 shades of gray?



No, click the relevant buttons for 'View Full Specification'
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 07, 2017, 06:02:52 PM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
Brakes Front   Twin 305 mm floating discs, Nissin 2­piston sliding calipers, Switchable ABS

That would really get my panties in a knot.

I need my  :350:

This picture: those are brembos, right?

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/L1A5.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: kokkios on November 07, 2017, 06:05:23 PM
That's an XRT
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 07, 2017, 06:09:39 PM
Ok now i see. XR has nissin, brembo is clearly only starting from the XRX spec. To be honest i would go for XRX or XRT anyway.

Maybe for the XR configuration it can be separately added in the configurator ...
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: julianhj on November 07, 2017, 06:21:16 PM
Really not impressed with the new colours and graphics - bland and far too fussy respectively.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: nobsta on November 07, 2017, 06:22:00 PM
 Rider modes on the XRX. Hope they still got the rain mode..?? Road/Off­road/Sport/Track
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: nobsta on November 07, 2017, 06:45:41 PM
So I guess the most important question is.....How Much???
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: chico on November 07, 2017, 07:13:58 PM
*Originally Posted by Rogue_Shadow [+]
Still no mention on the price for updated Tiger ...
The new F750GS does look really good though  :430:

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/110717-2018-bmw-f750gs-f850gs-P90283259_highRes-582x388.jpg)
Here you go, the competition.

/>
Chico
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: AvgBear on November 07, 2017, 07:45:16 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
Really not impressed with the new colours - bland
Nice colors w/XCA: Korosi Red or Marine.
There's Lucerne Blue on a couple others -- may be OK?
(no blacks/grays/whites/matts please...)

*Originally Posted by nobsta [+]
Rider modes on the XRX. Hope they still got the rain mode..?? Road/Off­road/Sport/Track
I see: Road/Rain/Off Road/Sport -- all models include Rain, high-zoot models add Rider (programmable).
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 07, 2017, 07:58:58 PM
those are brembos, right?

Here you go, Brembo's on a XCA:

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/L0r9.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Drekavac on November 07, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
I'm going to EICMA Milan tomorrow, if anyone wants me to check something, just say it.  :016:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 07, 2017, 08:07:04 PM
Various shots of the dash (XRT) in different modes if anyone needs them:

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Lkk1.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LYhi.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LFjD.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LMGo.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LJNe.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LEi3.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LUDE.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/L8ym.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/LeKZ.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: T800XC on November 07, 2017, 08:19:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Drekavac [+]
I'm going to EICMA Milan tomorrow, if anyone wants me to check something, just say it.  :016:
Ask about TPMS as it's not listed anywhere. Just wondering if it's standard fit on any models or an option (same for both 800 & 1200). Also try to take a peek at the VIN plate on the new 800 & 1200. I'm curious about the VIN designations. Ta.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: felix on November 07, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Well...... 200 changes.... I think I need to see one up close and understand what they are...

Don't give a monkeys about the dash...

Don't give a monkeys about the hp... but would have prefered an nice increase in torque...

Initial thoughts... Triumph have missed an oportunity & are in danger of falling behind ...

Why oh why have they not changed the fixed rear footpegs / minor accident will write off the frame ?

Trying to keep an "open - ish" mind...

Looks wise.... a tad tacky.... & especially in blue.


Hope I'm wrong.... nec in 2 weeks time will hopefully prove me wrong...

On the up side.... no need to think about changing ! !






😟
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Its my Triumph on November 07, 2017, 10:37:06 PM
Well my deposit is down :037:and now just wating for more info/spec and prices for xrt and xca.I have had both before.

My old xrt had tpms if any one is wondering.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: tauzero on November 07, 2017, 10:42:51 PM
*Originally Posted by prenticemarie [+]
Yes I read that, and I assumed the XRt was higher spec than XRx, ... BUT there appears to be items on the XRx spec that are not on the XRt spec, e.g. Centre Stand & Handgaurds  :187:

For each step up, you add the bits on in the list to the previous spec, so XRx is whatever is on the XR list plus any bits on the XRx list, then XRt adds the bits in the XRt list.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 07, 2017, 10:46:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Its my Triumph [+]
Well my deposit is down

Congratulations  :031:

I think I might investigate the F750GS some more before coming to my senses and getting a 16/17 XRX
 :015:


I would be interested to see if any of the 2018 parts can be retrofitted to older Tigers.
Love those LED headlights too much !
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Psychopasta on November 08, 2017, 01:27:01 AM
I'm liking the update. It's a set of steady improvements on an existing great design, not a whole new bike.

I have a 2012 roadie, and I think the engine got a lot of upgrades at the last update (when the Xr naming system came in). It looks like nothing hugs has changed since then: better first gear ratio, TFT screen, all that good stuff. Looking forward to seeing them in the flesh!

- P
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: sezian on November 08, 2017, 07:36:15 AM
I also have a 2012 (Roadie) fantastic bike and have loved ownership from new, fantastic bike  :152:

I think anyone who has an older bike will question whether it's worth the cost to change for what is basically the same bike with a few / lots of tweaks. For instance take my 2012 what would I get PX about £4000, new model costs, lets guess £11,000, so I would have to pay £7000 to own & ride basically the same bike. Is the new bike £7000 better than my bike, I don't think so  :110:

And here lies the problem, Triumph have produced a fantastic bike from day one, anyone with one will know how good it is, and yes it's nice to have the latest all singing & dancing gadgets but for the extra cost to upgrade are they really worth it  :084:

If you don't own a Tiger then the appeal is definitely there, it's a class leading bike, but if you already own one I can't see the changes make financial sense. If Triumph change the model considerably such as from the old "Steamer" to the "995 Tiger" or the "995 Tiger" to the current model then that's a big step and I can see existing owners wanting to change, but for another incarnation of the same bike it's not going to temp me or I suspect a lot of existing owners away from there current model  :125:

But hats off to Triumph they have kept up to date with model changes & latest fancy high tech stuff, and the Tiger will remain a top contender in the market place it holds.  :031:

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 08, 2017, 07:51:55 AM
*Originally Posted by sezian [+]
I also have a 2012 (Roadie) fantastic bike and have loved ownership from new, fantastic bike  :152:

I think anyone who has an older bike will question whether it's worth the cost to change for what is basically the same bike with a few / lots of tweaks. For instance take my 2012 what would I get PX about £4000, new model costs, lets guess £11,000, so I would have to pay £7000 to own & ride basically the same bike. Is the new bike £7000 better than my bike, I don't think so  :110:

And here lies the problem, Triumph have produced a fantastic bike from day one, anyone with one will know how good it is, and yes it's nice to have the latest all singing & dancing gadgets but for the extra cost to upgrade are they really worth it  :084:

If you don't own a Tiger then the appeal is definitely there, it's a class leading bike, but if you already own one I can't see the changes make financial sense. If Triumph change the model considerably such as from the old "Steamer" to the "995 Tiger" or the "995 Tiger" to the current model then that's a big step and I can see existing owners wanting to change, but for another incarnation of the same bike it's not going to temp me or I suspect a lot of existing owners away from there current model  :125:

But hats off to Triumph they have kept up to date with model changes & latest fancy high tech stuff, and the Tiger will remain a top contender in the market place it holds.  :031:

I tend to agree, I just can't justify popping next year's bonus on swapping my 2011 for the new one, I don't see enough benefit.
I'm going to keep it for now and buy a ST RS to keep it company

Maybe look to a new Tiger in a couple of years, or even defect to a big KTM, dunno

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: DJ Steve on November 08, 2017, 08:27:18 AM
A few nice improvements,  certainly not enough to make me change. Ii do hope they don't hike the price up , without making it 900 or 1000 cc in danger of pricing it out the market. Tracer 900 has also had a makeover for 2018 and a good bit cheaper..Don't think the free pannier offer will continue somehow. Wonder if the heated grips are sorted :190: Steve
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 08, 2017, 10:20:36 AM
It does seem like they did the effort to listen to the most common complaints:
- improved brakes: weak front brakes are a common complaint
- windscreen turbulence: ... gets mentioned often. And by the looks of it, the new windscreen should result in less turbulence because of that slot (-should-)

But i also dont instantly like the new design tweaks and the strange headlights. Im sure we'll get used to it ...
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: K1W1 on November 08, 2017, 11:01:54 AM
Oh look. They have changed the colour of the forks.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: tauzero on November 08, 2017, 12:51:39 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh in just over a fortnight at the NEC - my birthday, as it happens, but I don't think Mrs Zero will be buying me one. Remembering back a couple of decades, the 955i engine first got put into Daytonas and (after the initial 885i engine) Speed Triples from 1997, but it took until 2001 until it got put into the Tiger. Perhaps the intention is to put the 765 engine into the Tiger, but if Triumph did that, would they also want to do a considerable chassis revision (cf. steamer to girlie Tigers)? And are the engine mounting points the same?

The trouble is that with the ever-evolving state of bikes these days, if you leave a model unchanged for four or five years, it starts being seen as dated, so the odd periodic face-lift is getting to be a necessity.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 08, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
Might be new instruments and colour and configurable but seems to show less information than my monochrome display on my 2011
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: digger06 on November 08, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
well its not gonna make me want a new one,
no real improvement in the motor, and I don't like the clocks,
I expected a bit of a power increase , better brakes? great,
myself, I would have liked removable rear peg mounts,and an easier to remove petrol tank, etc.
bmw style spoke wheels would have made it for me also, tubeless tyres on spokeys then...
 and why so many models of the same bike?
I think just a roady and an xc would have done,
just my opinions of course but I expected an all new type bike, not an old one upgraded this time,
then again, the tiger is a great bike, doesn't really need that much improving, imo
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: kokkios on November 08, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
Why is it nearly everyone seems to love this new TFT displays? Is it because they feauture on the most modern and advanced bikes like the MotoGP bikes? I mean its a bike, not a home entertainment system. Maybe i sound a bit old school but i am not. I am 37 and i like my gadgets. Just not on the bike when it doesn't offer anything substantially new. I know its the future but I will choose the needle at least for the tacho every single time. 
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: DonVulpes on November 08, 2017, 03:58:45 PM
*Originally Posted by kokkios [+]
I know its the future but I will choose the needle at least for the tacho every single time.

I think it's mostly because it gives you options for how you have the info displayed.

There was quite a debate amongst the Blackbird lot when it changed from analogue clocks to a digi speedo. You can't please all of the people, all of the time ...etc etc ?

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: davexavier on November 08, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
At the end of the day.........................it's the end of the day sorry couldn't resist  :156:

Seriously, much of what makers and retailers say is 'new' is repackaged. Plus they want to play on our desire to have something 'new'.

If it ain't don't broke fix it works well in every day life; try living by it, common sense. But if you are running a company you want people to feel deficient if you don't have the latest model.

Remember the ''special edition'' all they did was give it ( a car) go faster stripes a different upholstery and maybe add a new carb. and it's somehow ''special''.

Let's be sensible and discerning. The advertising men want us to be falling all over the new, the special, the revised, when all along what we have is good and sufficient.

And breathe....... :180: :031:

Dave
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 08, 2017, 05:15:32 PM
Still a lack of pricing  :006:
Must be at least a £500 hike over previous models
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: mcinlb on November 08, 2017, 06:53:43 PM
I have only had a 2013 Roadie for a short time but love the bike for its nimbleness and performance. I was pleasantly surprised by the performance as I also run a GS 1200 with an extra 30bhp but the weight difference almost negates this power deficit.

Now the "new" bike, as far as I see, has addressed the throttle response , improved brakes , suspension(which is the thing I noticed most as needing work) and the screen. All things that make the Tiger a "better" bike.

All the rest are toys and enhancements which some may or not like, as for me I think manufacturers do all this because they can what with new technologies becoming available. Some things make our riding easier, others are nice to haves.  :002:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: tommyt on November 08, 2017, 07:14:05 PM
*Originally Posted by sezian [+]
I also have a 2012 (Roadie) fantastic bike and have loved ownership from new, fantastic bike  :152:

I think anyone who has an older bike will question whether it's worth the cost to change for what is basically the same bike with a few / lots of tweaks. For instance take my 2012 what would I get PX about £4000, new model costs, lets guess £11,000, so I would have to pay £7000 to own & ride basically the same bike. Is the new bike £7000 better than my bike, I don't think so  :110:

And here lies the problem, Triumph have produced a fantastic bike from day one, anyone with one will know how good it is, and yes it's nice to have the latest all singing & dancing gadgets but for the extra cost to upgrade are they really worth it  :084:

If you don't own a Tiger then the appeal is definitely there, it's a class leading bike, but if you already own one I can't see the changes make financial sense. If Triumph change the model considerably such as from the old "Steamer" to the "995 Tiger" or the "995 Tiger" to the current model then that's a big step and I can see existing owners wanting to change, but for another incarnation of the same bike it's not going to temp me or I suspect a lot of existing owners away from there current model  :125:

But hats off to Triumph they have kept up to date with model changes & latest fancy high tech stuff, and the Tiger will remain a top contender in the market place it holds.  :031:

Sezian, I could not have put it better myself. Thanks. I do believe in progress but why at unnecessary expense?!

TT 
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 08, 2017, 08:21:20 PM
*Originally Posted by sezian [+]
I also have a 2012 (Roadie) fantastic bike and have loved ownership from new, fantastic bike  :152:

I think anyone who has an older bike will question whether it's worth the cost to change for what is basically the same bike with a few / lots of tweaks. For instance take my 2012 what would I get PX about £4000, new model costs, lets guess £11,000, so I would have to pay £7000 to own & ride basically the same bike. Is the new bike £7000 better than my bike, I don't think so  :110:

And here lies the problem, Triumph have produced a fantastic bike from day one, anyone with one will know how good it is, and yes it's nice to have the latest all singing & dancing gadgets but for the extra cost to upgrade are they really worth it  :084:

If you don't own a Tiger then the appeal is definitely there, it's a class leading bike, but if you already own one I can't see the changes make financial sense. If Triumph change the model considerably such as from the old "Steamer" to the "995 Tiger" or the "995 Tiger" to the current model then that's a big step and I can see existing owners wanting to change, but for another incarnation of the same bike it's not going to temp me or I suspect a lot of existing owners away from there current model  :125:

But hats off to Triumph they have kept up to date with model changes & latest fancy high tech stuff, and the Tiger will remain a top contender in the market place it holds.  :031:

+1
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigerider on November 08, 2017, 09:23:13 PM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
+1
+2


Has anyone posted this "new to me" video yet???

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Drekavac on November 09, 2017, 09:43:23 AM
*Originally Posted by T800XC [+]
Ask about TPMS as it's not listed anywhere. Just wondering if it's standard fit on any models or an option (same for both 800 & 1200). Also try to take a peek at the VIN plate on the new 800 & 1200. I'm curious about the VIN designations. Ta.

I checked. About TPMS they don't know for sure. They are almost sure, that in top version (T and A) it is included, just like previous models. But not 100%.
I take a picture o VIN number, is it OK to post it here or not?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 09, 2017, 10:34:19 AM
*Originally Posted by Drekavac [+]
I checked. About TPMS they don't know for sure. They are almost sure, that in top version (T and A) it is included, just like previous models. But not 100%.
I take a picture o VIN number, is it OK to post it here or not?

Won't be the XC versions as tubed tyres.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Drekavac on November 09, 2017, 10:37:50 AM
Sorry, I did not check that.  :003:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 09, 2017, 10:46:42 AM
Triumph has dropped the name "Explorer" it's now the Tiger 1200
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 09, 2017, 12:08:54 PM
I like the look of the new model, but there's not enough there to make me consider upgrading.
I wish the XRT would have had a 10hp power hike as well as the upgraded brakes.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Davy on November 09, 2017, 01:38:49 PM
*Originally Posted by The Reaper [+]
I wish the XRT would have had a 10hp power hike as well as the upgraded brakes.

Thats why i was hoping for the new 765 engine....
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 09, 2017, 01:44:42 PM
*Originally Posted by Davy [+]
Thats why i was hoping for the new 765 engine....
I can understand why the base models would need the 95hp variant, but it would have been nice if the top of the range model had a little bit more power.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 09, 2017, 01:51:33 PM
*Originally Posted by Drekavac [+]
Sorry, I did not check that.  :003:

No need to check.  Not physically possible to use Triumph's system with tubed tyres.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Bixtablot on November 09, 2017, 07:30:38 PM
I must admit that on reading the spec of the new bike I was a tad disappointed. One of the most criticised parts of the existing model is the front fork. Yet, from what I read, the new bike has the same fork as the bikes from as far back as 2011. I have no doubt the engine etc is an improvement but like others on this forum I do not see the advantages of the increased level of electronic gismos on all new bikes. I would point out that my 2013 roadie, with improved suspension and tyres seems to improve with age especially since M. Sump esq serviced it. Never mind, just looking forward to a test ride.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Admin on November 11, 2017, 09:04:56 AM
For anyone who's interested, Triumph will be holding 30 minute "after hours" interactive sessions on the new Tiger 800 at Motorcycle Live.

These sessions will happen on selective dates after the show closes and are ticket only.

The tickets are free but are limited in number.

Those who are able to attend (remember this is after the show closes, either 5pm or 6pm), can get their tickets here:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/motorcycle-live-2017-new-tiger-800-tickets-39768087420

 :031:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: tauzero on November 11, 2017, 12:32:28 PM
Dammit, sold out on the day I'm going.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigermainia on November 11, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
*Originally Posted by Bixtablot [+]
I must admit that on reading the spec of the new bike I was a tad disappointed. One of the most criticised parts of the existing model is the front fork. Yet, from what I read, the new bike has the same fork as the bikes from as far back as 2011. I have no doubt the engine etc is an improvement but like others on this forum I do not see the advantages of the increased level of electronic gismos on all new bikes. I would point out that my 2013 roadie, with improved suspension and tyres seems to improve with age especially since M. Sump esq serviced it. Never mind, just looking forward to a test ride.

 :0461:  :493: My '15 XRx with front and rear suspension upgrades, tyres and screen change is all, IMO the bike needed. :152:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Captain Crazy on November 11, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Thanks for the heads up Admin on the Triumph Offer of taking part in their interactive event after the main show at the NEC. Admittedly like most, I'll be sticking with my trusty 'original' XC ... as TBH I can't see the need to upgrade just for the sake of a few gimmicks.

But one thing I am hoping for, is that this event is truly Interactive (?) - booked a couple of tickets as going with a riding buddy who's also an enduro expert - if they do let us near or lose on a new Tiger, we're going to have a bit of fun 'trying them out as only 'that' real Triumph [part time sas] Rider would want us too   :164: 
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 11, 2017, 08:37:22 PM
Called my local (50 miles away) Triumph dealer today.
Still no confirmation or even guidelines on pricing for the new Tigers.
However they expect the New XRX (800) to be in the range of £11,000+
 :114:
New models with be in Showrooms for March.
Whilst I will continue my Tiger hunt, i’m also eager to pit the Tiger against the new F750GS
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: D8ona on November 12, 2017, 04:21:59 PM
The F750gs has normal forks and 75hp, not really a direct competitor. My wife has the current F750gs and whilst its a good dependable (boring) bike its not in the same class as the 800 Tiger. However, the new F850 has more torque and brand new massively reduced vibe engine and will likely be very good, time and test rides will tell. We were on the factory tour on Friday and they were building the new Tiger 1200s and for some reason the bike looked physically a lot slimmer and less top heavy!! so hopefully it is!
ps the factory tour is very educational and well worth going on if you are interested in engineering, fwiw strange but true...Triumph are one of only 2 yes 2 manufacturers that manufacture their own crankshafts...
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: upthepalace on November 12, 2017, 05:27:58 PM
I've got to know, who is the other manufacturer?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Shergar on November 12, 2017, 09:56:03 PM
Just spent 10 minutes comparing the specs on the Triumph website between my 2017 XRT and the new 2018 version.
My summary as follows
Aside from switchgear and dashboard / display they've managed to make the new model lose a few pounds dry weight, I think largely in the exhaust.
LED lights all round.
Front Calipers now Brembo - rear remain Nissin.
Max Power and Torque are the same but the new version delivers them about 200RPM higher which seems a little odd, could be down to the engine mapping to suit the new exhaust.
There must be a tweak to the frame as well as the rake and trail angles are a little different,the front shocks are similar but are adjustable
Oh - and the change that could make the biggest difference in a direct comparison between the two could be the new screen - if it works it will save a few quid in buying aftermarket versions.
So not quite ALL NEW but tweaks and upgrades across the board.

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: gogs01 on November 12, 2017, 10:53:48 PM
*Originally Posted by upthepalace [+]
I've got to know, who is the other manufacturer?

On the Ducati factory tour you'll be told that the only two components made in Bologna for all Ducati models are crankshafts and camshafts, so I'm going to say  -  Ducati !   :046:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: robf8gt on November 14, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
Hello. I don't own a Tiger yet. I'm new to the adventure bike market and somewhat new to motorcycling in general. My question is about the suspension. On the 2018 XRt model the front and rear suspension is now adjustable. Is that a big improvement? I guess until people ride it we don't know but that seems like a nice improvement. Thanks.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 14, 2017, 04:11:30 PM
The fact they are going to be adjustable is better and they are reputable makers of suspensions.
The current set up isn't bad, I am happy with them, but having said that I haven't ridden an 800 with updated units, it's quite possible I would change my mind if I did.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 14, 2017, 04:16:53 PM
I suppose it'll depend on what is adjustable, if it's just the preload ....   :006:

Does it say anywhere what the suspension spec is?



Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 14, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
From triumph website:
Front Suspension   Showa 43 mm upside down forks, with adjustable rebound and compression damping, 180 mm travel
Rear Suspension   Showa monoshock with hydraulically adjustable preload, 170 mm rear wheel travel
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 14, 2017, 05:06:20 PM
cheers for that, couldn't see it on my phone

 
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: ffg on November 14, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
EX-T800 owner here, I just popped in to see what you all think of the new 800.

FWIW I think the biggest and best change may be the screen.  My 13 plate roadie, which I rode for 4 years, gained a Madstad, and it literally TRANSFORMED the bike. I rode a different 800 a couple of times later with the stock screen and could not believe how bad it is.  Now if the new screen fixes the buffeting, which it might well do with that slot, it will make the new 800 a whole lot nicer to ride.   And the new screen looks way better than the Madstad.

I always liked the standard suspension, except that the front could be bit clonky.  I now have so-called FULLY adjustable Showa forks and Ohlin rears on my Thruxton R and I can tell you it has taken a whole heap of work to get them the way I want - the adjustment on its own didn't do it, I got Darren at Tillit Suspension to change the oil in the Showas.

Your mileage, and indeed suspension, may of course vary...
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: D8ona on November 14, 2017, 08:44:03 PM
*Originally Posted by gogs01 [+]
On the Ducati factory tour you'll be told that the only two components made in Bologna for all Ducati models are crankshafts and camshafts, so I'm going to say  -  Ducati !   :046:
Yes I have a few ducatis and have done the tour as well and that is my guess / recollection!!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: InsaneKitty on November 15, 2017, 12:23:54 PM
*Originally Posted by Shergar [+]
Oh - and the change that could make the biggest difference in a direct comparison between the two could be the new screen - if it works it will save a few quid in buying aftermarket versions.
So not quite ALL NEW but tweaks and upgrades across the board.

Looking at the pictures, the mounting points look similar. Will have to wait until it's released to see if it would fit, fingers crossed they have actually listened and fixed it and even better if it will fit on older models.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: critch on November 17, 2017, 02:00:30 PM
Does anyone think that come March and the sale of the new 2018 Tigers, the older 2016/2017 model will sell heavily discounted?

I'm looking at a 1200 Explorer or possibly  a completely different bike like the Kwak Z1000sx come the Spring and as much as I love my 800 xrx I am looking for something different or an upgrade to the 1200 if deals are to be had.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 17, 2017, 09:12:17 PM
*Originally Posted by critch [+]
Does anyone think that come March and the sale of the new 2018 Tigers, the older 2016/2017 model will sell heavily discounted?

I'm was hoping on this.
However my local dealer states most of the current stock is depleted & no "new orders on the existing model can be made".

You may get lucky though  :028:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 18, 2017, 01:10:49 AM
Just had a quick look at the Triumph website to see if they had updated the prices.
No prices however they do have the 2018 Brochure.

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?pbid=119f48c1-fed6-4e0b-8ecc-5e7f1716b7cf

- The new XR wont have the new display as standard
- The XRX wont have the LED headlights (DRL) or a center stand as standard, instead heated grips are standard on the XRX

 :177:


Admin Edit:  URL edited to work
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 18, 2017, 08:04:27 AM
*Originally Posted by Rogue_Shadow [+]
Just had a quick look at the Triumph website to see if they had updated the prices.
No prices however they do have the 2018 Brochure.

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?pbid=119f48c1-fed6-4e0b-8ecc-5e7f1716b7cf

- The new XR wont have the new display as standard
- The XRX wont have the LED headlights (DRL) or a center stand as standard, instead heated grips are standard on the XRX

 :177:

Thanks for the share
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: nobsta on November 18, 2017, 04:54:22 PM
Is anyone at NEC today? They usually have the price tag on the display bikes!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Prykey on November 18, 2017, 07:58:57 PM
I'd be interested to see if the LED Headlamp unit will fit the 2017 Tiger as that might be a worthwhile investment!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: InsaneKitty on November 19, 2017, 05:49:06 PM
I couldn’t see one when I was looking.

Agree with the headlamp comment, also hoping with some custom made brackets the screen may fit and it looks wider & higher..maybe?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Sox_UK on November 19, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
*Originally Posted by nobsta [+]
Is anyone at NEC today? They usually have the price tag on the display bikes!

I went today. No prices, but interestingly I got roped into a survey after getting off the new 800. First question stated the starting price would be £9100 (they wouldnt elaborate on the model details but I assume that'll be the base XR?).

Having only passed my CBT and DAS in Oct, I've not sat on any T800 variants, but after the show today, I see a T800 XCA in my future! :300:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Pailton on November 20, 2017, 07:26:14 AM
I was there yesterday, couldn't see any prices and when asked no staff would commit.

I have booked my test ride on the new 1200 for February, apparently the new Tigers wont be in the dealers until late January, the dealer will contact me when the bikes are available for test ride so no confirmed dates as yet.

Sitting on the new 800 felt very familiar, the screen is entirely different and certainly looks way more effective. There is certainly a lot more switches to play with and a nice little joystick to navigate around all the menus, the screen looks very clever and pretty but I am more than a little concerned about how involved it is. Riders are certainly going to have to be careful over how long and where to take your focus off the road, it certainly looked very detailed and attention consuming.

 The exhaust is certainly smaller than the current one but I suspect I would still remove it and install a lovely loud Fuel one.

 
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rtwo on November 20, 2017, 05:39:28 PM
The price tags were all 'TBA'

It didn't get me reaching for my cheque book to slam a deposit down TBH, certainly no wow factor.


I was quite disappointed by the whole show really. A couple of new models from the big boys but at least 90% of the exhibits were the same as last year. (and the year before)
The new Z900r was lovely as was the Bonneville T100 Black but apart from some exotic race bikes, that was it for me  :003:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: upthepalace on November 20, 2017, 09:56:55 PM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
The price tags were all 'TBA'

It didn't get me reaching for my cheque book to slam a deposit down TBH, certainly no wow factor.


I was quite disappointed by the whole show really. A couple of new models from the big boys but at least 90% of the exhibits were the same as last year. (and the year before)
The new Z900r was lovely as was the Bonneville T100 Black but apart from some exotic race bikes, that was it for me  :003:

I've found the show to be pretty woeful on my last couple of visits and for that reason I haven't gone this year.  I think that i just really enjoy riding nowadays instead of standing around looking at bikes.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Psychopasta on November 21, 2017, 12:47:27 AM
Yep, it's been a while since I attended a show I really liked and got a lot out of. Better of visiting dealers and blagging test rides  :007:

- Pasta
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 21, 2017, 08:17:44 PM
Having been to the show and seen the new Tigers today, my thoughts are that the new bike looks very nice indeed, but I won’t be rushing out to trade in my xrx.
It’s more evolution than revolution, but there are some nice touches such as the new screen that looks like it will work brilliantly and better suspension and brakes. Although one of the bikes had a loose screen as the screws had worked loose, so that would be something that you’d need to keep an eye on.
I personally really like the new tft dash.

RE the show in general, this’ll probably be the last time I go. £21 a ticket is far too much for what is on offer in my opinion.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigermainia on November 22, 2017, 08:34:35 AM
 :0461: I'm going to the show on Friday but don't expect to be tempted as it appears that I have already done the most important updates i.e. screen and suspension the rest is really superficial as far as I'm concerned.

Although as a geriatric I probably will continue as long as possible as its £12 at the moment!!!!!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: bigmankz on November 23, 2017, 10:04:52 AM
my 5 cents. :) I was actually expecting that Trшumph will introduce new Tiger with a bigger engine (900cc) or so. But they did what they did. I like the new look. I think it looks better than 2017 model but for some reason I still think that the look of the 2010-2015 XC model looks better. :) Not sure about the visibility of the new TFT dash but it is the future and sooner or later analogue dashes will be dead. :) I assume that this dash and the new switchgear seriously improved usability of the modes and  other functions as the older version was not logical and was hard to operate especially while riding. Triumph also said that they shortened first gear to improve off road riding ability. I personally never had too much trouble using clutch a bit to ride in the mountains. Although I don't really mind that the new Tiger is quicker off the line I think it would have been much more usefull for most riders if Triumph made the 6th gear taller to improve highway mileage and range. To my mind the engine characterisitics could have easly allowed riding at 4500 or 5000 RPM in 6th gear at 140 km/h. The new headlights look awesome and agressive just as the Tiger should look. :) Overall I thibk tgis iteration is very solid and they actually improved on most the areas where Tiger was a bit weaker without sacrificing anythin in what it was great. Look forawrd to see it in flesh sometime next year. For the first time I actually I thoughtof selleing my 2013 XC and get the 2018 XCA or XCX. Well done Triumph! Of note, the new 850 GS beemer now looks even uglier than before and despite the fact it has more torque its still less appealing to me. In fact couple of my friends riding 800GSs are selling them to buy Tigers instead :)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: digger06 on November 23, 2017, 10:13:56 AM
they will stick a 900 engine in when/if they need/want to,
atm, the competition isn't as good, so why radically change the top dog if its still selling well?
when/if the others raise the bar, triumph may, (or may not)
but,will it lose cheaper insurance? will it make licence issues in some countrys?etc
theres a lot of issues in changing a bikes cc/power for a manufacturer
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: firemax on November 23, 2017, 02:03:41 PM
check this out

Admin edit: YouTube link removed as either dead or incorrect
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 23, 2017, 04:17:33 PM
Hi Firemax
Seems to be a broken link, could you re-send it?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigermainia on November 23, 2017, 06:38:28 PM
Ditto  :0461:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 23, 2017, 07:05:52 PM
Will be at Dublin triumph in 1st December
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Mav on November 24, 2017, 12:29:05 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
Will be at Dublin triumph in 1st December

Price?
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: firemax on November 24, 2017, 11:35:59 AM
/>Try this link to the triumph launch 2018
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 24, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
*Originally Posted by firemax [+]
/>Try this link to the triumph launch 2018

That one is  :028:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: KildareMan on November 24, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
*Originally Posted by Mav [+]
Price?

No idea.  It's only 24th November.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: VROOM on November 24, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
Went to the NEC today, saw the new XC bike there and what caught my eye was a set of tank protection bars above the standard engine bars. Asked the young lad there if the new tank bars would fit the 2015, 2016 & 2017 Tigers and he didn't know. They have the same looks, paint finish etc. The mounting points all look the same, anyone know if they'll fit ? Cheers.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tiggerton on November 24, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
No idea.  It's only 24th November.
Thank you for your invaluable and informative response.



Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tiggerton on November 24, 2017, 09:31:46 PM
*Originally Posted by VROOM [+]
Went to the NEC today, saw the new XC bike there and what caught my eye was a set of tank protection bars above the standard engine bars. Asked the young lad there if the new tank bars would fit the 2015, 2016 & 2017 Tigers and he didn't know. They have the same looks, paint finish etc. The mounting points all look the same, anyone know if they'll fit ? Cheers.

Does the new Tiger seem to have the same frame layout? Does the base model have a slipper clutch? Can I ask you what  main advantages of the new model can you see over the existing 2015 machine.
Triumph boast many changes to the last generation motor. Do you perceive or are made aware of such.

Regards
Tony. H.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: VROOM on November 25, 2017, 06:40:02 AM
Seems to be identical but for the screen, TFT display, smaller fog lights, LED headlight, switchgear and colors. Do like the new tank protection bars though.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Tigermainia on November 25, 2017, 09:16:35 AM
Went to the NEC yesterday all very nice on the Triumph stand, staff were very young and not inspiring. As I (and others) thought it's not worth changing as I have done the important mods i.e. suspension, screen and tyres, the other bits can wait until it is the right time to change for me.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 25, 2017, 09:55:57 AM
On the plus side, the fact it doesn’t look massively different to the current model will help residual values of older models in the future.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 25, 2017, 10:00:49 AM
They still come with those awful Metzeler Tourance Nexts fitted though. 😡
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Alunr on November 25, 2017, 01:01:06 PM
Sat on one at Birmingham yesterday. Looks wise, it's seems very similar to current models. Screen was different on the one I sat on. Taller and smoother shape. Engine finished in graphite. Different binnacle and slightly different switch gear. Might ride differently/better, don't know. The new 1050 looks nice.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: tauzero on November 25, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
I was at the NEC yesterday too, for my 60th birthday (Mrs Zero didn't buy me a bike though). As there's been such interest in the screen, I took pictures of the screen itself (adjusted nearly to the top of its range, and I'm about 5'9"/175cm) and of the fixing bracket. The bracket appears integral with the new clocks.

The screen:

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/T5pe.jpg)

The bracket (held on by the big mushroom-head allen screws on the outside):

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/TZgo.jpg)

Other things I noticed - cruise control moves to the left side. Heated grips control is a little button on the grip itself. The other controls for menu etc have also changed. There's a hazards flasher button on the R/H switchgear. Sitting on it, I just seemed back at home.

As for the other Tiggers, the Sport is unchanged, and the 1200 is too tall for me. Elsewhere on the Triumph stand, Mrs Zero liked the Street Twin, and for when I enter my dotage and need a low bike with lots of legroom, the Speedmaster Highway was the only FF bike at the whole show that I was comfortable on. And elsewhere in the show, every Harley was uncomfortable to a greater or lesser extent, and whoever designed the Yamaha scrambler should have got someone to sit on it before putting it into production, as they might have discovered that the airbox digs painfully into your right knee.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Stevie.P on November 25, 2017, 05:56:27 PM
:033: ... (IMO) gosh, looks like the screen may actually have been designed in a wind tunnel .... operated by a blind man ... it's hideous. I don't like the look of the TFT clock & surround with screen bracket either. :151:

Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Rogue_Shadow on November 25, 2017, 06:23:25 PM
Thanks for the pictures Tauzero  :028:

Doesn’t look hopefully that 2017 Tigers can steal the screen / headlights  :161:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 25, 2017, 06:37:58 PM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
:033: ... (IMO) gosh, looks like the screen may actually have been designed in a wind tunnel .... operated by a blind man ... it's hideous. I don't like the look of the TFT clock & surround with screen bracket either. :151:

It actually doesn’t look too bad in the flesh!
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: tauzero on November 25, 2017, 07:39:35 PM
I think it looks OK, and seems to finally have had some thought put into it. And it's presumably harder to nick the new display.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Alunr on November 26, 2017, 06:30:16 AM
*Originally Posted by The Reaper [+]
It actually doesn’t look too bad in the flesh!

I agree. When I sat on it the screen looks quite good. As the current screen seems to be the biggest dissatisfaction point, going by the sheer number threads on the subject on this this site, perhaps Triumph felt it was time to respond.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Bulldogfour on November 26, 2017, 08:29:34 AM
That screen looks much like the Tracer and that wasn’t good IIRC.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: mcinlb on November 26, 2017, 08:50:28 AM
When I sat on the Tiger Tuesday, I thought the screen might actually work-

High and wide at the top for wind protection
Vented to provide a smoother flow up behind the screen and hopefully less turbulence on the head.
Winglets fitted to lessen the turbulence around the body aca as per the Madstad.

The proof will be in the testing in February.

p.s. looks don't matter too much when you're sitting in still air on a few hundred mile trip on a motorway  :001:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 26, 2017, 09:01:24 AM
*Originally Posted by Bulldogfour [+]
That screen looks much like the Tracer and that wasn’t good IIRC.
Pretty sure it’s a bit wider than the Tracer’s screen plus there are winglets on the side which should help.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 26, 2017, 09:53:09 AM
It won't win any design awards that's for sure, hope like The Reaper says that it looks better in the flesh.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: PixMan on November 27, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
*Originally Posted by The Reaper [+]
They still come with those awful Metzeler Tourance Nexts fitted though. 😡

And I noticed from the specs published for size that the front is still a BIAS PLY and the rear, a RADIAL PLY.

I gather that Triumph didn't get quite enough complaints about that with the original Pirelli Skorpion Trail, so they had to do it again.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: AvgBear on November 27, 2017, 04:12:09 PM
*Originally Posted by PixMan [+]
And I noticed from the specs published for size that the front is still a BIAS PLY and the rear, a RADIAL PLY.
I gather that Triumph didn't get quite enough complaints about that..., so they had to do it again.
Triumph say (re: bias F / radial R tire fitment - certain models): “This combination of tire constructions is selected because it offers the best stability, neutrality and agility on the bikes for which they have been selected. In our experience, this construction combination offers no disadvantage in terms of grip or slide behavior in ‘on-road’ or ‘off-road’ conditions, as the compound selection is oriented to deliver the ideal grip characteristic for the specific use of the motorcycle for which it is selected."
IOW, horses for courses (roadracers want 17" radials F & R...).  :191:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: PixMan on November 27, 2017, 04:40:36 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Triumph say (re: bias F / radial R tire fitment - certain models): “This combination of tire constructions is selected because it offers the best stability, neutrality and agility on the bikes for which they have been selected. In our experience, this construction combination offers no disadvantage in terms of grip or slide behavior in ‘on-road’ or ‘off-road’ conditions, as the compound selection is oriented to deliver the ideal grip characteristic for the specific use of the motorcycle for which it is selected."
IOW, horses for courses (roadracers want 17" radials F & R...).  :191:

I'm sure Triumph believes they've checked everything out and there's no danger. My experience is that the mixed construction combination was OK for a while, though once the tyres were more than 1/2 worn it became a more noticeable problem of the front not "feeling right" and I started to get a bit of wandering. I also made the mistake of taking my hands off the bars as I coasted down a hill and it started going into a tank-slapper. It's not something I do routinely, but no bike I've ever owned before did that and it doesn't do it with radials on both hoops.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: AvgBear on November 27, 2017, 04:51:01 PM
*Originally Posted by PixMan [+]
... no bike I've ever owned before did that and it doesn't do it with radials on both hoops.
Whilst undoubtedly your anecdotal story is true (and can be told by many riders on many makes - bikes and tires), it hardly withstands criticism for or against anything.
It certainly seems to work for you, though..?  :114:

Many and varied are the causes of such reports in the motorcycling world.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: PixMan on November 27, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Whilst undoubtedly your anecdotal story is true (and can be told by many riders on many makes - bikes and tires), it hardly withstands criticism for or against anything.
It certainly seems to work for you, though..?  :114:

Many and varied are the causes of such reports in the motorcycling world.

There were a LOT of similar reports about the first generation "roadie" Tiger 800's when they came out with the mixed construction combo, I wasn't alone. Those complaints did subside when Pirelli made the front Skorpion Trail 2 as a radial ply.

But sure, I accept it's my own experience and not objective, verifiable fact.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: AvgBear on November 27, 2017, 07:23:09 PM
*Originally Posted by PixMan [+]
There were a LOT of similar reports about the first generation "roadie" Tiger 800's when they came out with the mixed construction combo, I wasn't alone.
But sure, I accept it's my own experience and not objective, verifiable fact.
Yes, tire threads are ubiquitous on m/c forums.
Given the number of "roadies" sold, a LOT may still be a quite small percentage?
As the owner of a 2012 Roadie (purchased new) I also am the recipient of Triumph's bias F / radial R decision and I have zero bad reports to make (I accept it's my own experience and not objective, verifiable fact).
Maybe..?, we need to resort to the scientific method: "...discover cause and effect relationships by asking questions, carefully gathering and examining the evidence, and seeing if all the available information can be combined in to a logical answer."  :187:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: kokkios on November 27, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
*Originally Posted by PixMan [+]
I also made the mistake of taking my hands off the bars as I coasted down a hill and it started going into a tank-slapper. It's not something I do routinely, but no bike I've ever owned before did that and it doesn't do it with radials on both hoops.

The tank-slapping also happened to me with 12000km on the Metzeler Tourance. When i changed to Dunlops i kept my hands on the bars but loosened the grip to see if it will do the same and it didnt. I now have 6000km on them and they are still stable
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: T800XC on November 29, 2017, 08:56:25 PM
New Tiger 800 owner's manual now available for download from Triumph. Lots of spec in there, as usual, and about 30 pages are dedicated to setting up the TFT display options (or themes & styles as they're calling them).

You can grab it from here...

Tiger 800 Series Owners Handbook (http://images.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/media-library/files/central%20marketing%20team/owners-manuals/c3%20series/tiger%20800%20series%20owners%20handbook%20%20english.pdf)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 29, 2017, 09:24:25 PM
Thanks for the heads up, looks like the new TFT needs a night school course to get to know it  :002:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: The Reaper on November 30, 2017, 12:28:50 PM
Servicing schedule still the same then. I can see that putting off potential owners, especially first generation owners considering swapping.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: biscut1975 on November 30, 2017, 02:05:27 PM
I see on the list of changes that one includes "updated three touch cruise control", does anyone know what the difference is between the 2017 version and the new? Searching round the net at the moment and the reviews mention that the new bikes have it but not what "IT" actually is or is different from the current version.

I do like the idea of the cornering lights though, think thats a good idea for the 1200 ;-)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Turbo100 on November 30, 2017, 02:31:06 PM
The cruise control on mine, when I press the button it turns tc on but no light comes on and nothing on the display, but on the second press it brings the green light in and displays the set speed. The new one reads to me that the first press brings the green light on and puts dashes in the display waiting for the speed to be inputed, well that was my take on it.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: mcinlb on November 30, 2017, 02:33:11 PM
*Originally Posted by T800XC [+]
New Tiger 800 owner's manual now available for download from Triumph. Lots of spec in there, as usual, and about 30 pages are dedicated to setting up the TFT display options (or themes & styles as they're calling them).

You can grab it from here...

Tiger 800 Series Owners Handbook (http://images.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/media-library/files/central%20marketing%20team/owners-manuals/c3%20series/tiger%20800%20series%20owners%20handbook%20%20english.pdf)

Page 90
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Mav on November 30, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
The cruise control is now on the left side. Which will make it a lot easier.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: biscut1975 on December 13, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
*Originally Posted by mcinlb [+]
Page 90

I see that the speed and gear that it can be operated from has changed too, was 4th gear and I thought 30mph but now shows 3rd gear and 19mph which I think is much better :-) I got caught for doing 35 in a 30 so having it operate that low will help save my license LOL ;-)
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Bulldogfour on December 13, 2017, 12:00:53 PM
*Originally Posted by biscut1975 [+]
I see that the speed and gear that it can be operated from has changed too, was 4th gear and I thought 30mph but now shows 3rd gear and 19mph which I think is much better :-) I got caught for doing 35 in a 30 so having it operate that low will help save my license LOL ;-)

Sounds good but in practice?  My experience of CC in urban environments is that you just get it set right when something forces you to slow down; CC kicks out and you then have to reset it.  Problem with that is that all the time you are dealing with the CC you risk missing a hazard in front of you or of recognising a potentially hazardous situation.  I resort to resting my forefinger on top of the front brake which both reminds me that I am in a 30mph area and it steadies my hand and enables me to keep a set speed.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: biscut1975 on December 13, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Bulldogfour [+]
Sounds good but in practice?  My experience of CC in urban environments is that you just get it set right when something forces you to slow down; CC kicks out and you then have to reset it.  Problem with that is that all the time you are dealing with the CC you risk missing a hazard in front of you or of recognising a potentially hazardous situation.  I resort to resting my forefinger on top of the front brake which both reminds me that I am in a 30mph area and it steadies my hand and enables me to keep a set speed.

 :169:  that's a fair point, in all honesty i brought the bike as it had cruise control on it (do a lot of dual carriageway and motorway riding) but have actually only used it a few times and not used it on slower roads other than to see how low mph wise it will allow cruise to be set.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Shergar on December 13, 2017, 06:10:04 PM
Pretty certain that my 2017 XRT Cruise Control works in 3rd gear from about 20MPH, however I wont be heading out to test it until the weather improves at least a little.
Personally I would like a speed limiter, I use this on both cars in 30 and 20 zones and its a lot more usable in a busy urban environment than the CC is.
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: biscut1975 on December 14, 2017, 11:17:49 AM
*Originally Posted by Shergar [+]
Pretty certain that my 2017 XRT Cruise Control works in 3rd gear from about 20MPH, however I wont be heading out to test it until the weather improves at least a little.
Personally I would like a speed limiter, I use this on both cars in 30 and 20 zones and its a lot more usable in a busy urban environment than the CC is.

Ahh ok, thats interesting as my 2016 XRT has to be in 4th gear for CC to work so guess they changed it for the 2017 model onwards. Good thought about speed limiter, I will admit that I hadnt even thought of that... :430:  :493:
Title: Re: New 2018 Tiger 800
Post by: Metiger on June 13, 2018, 02:09:30 PM
Who owns the new 800 and can give pointers on how she performs . I am currently riding a BMW 1200 GSA but am a Triumph fan and seriously looking at the 800. No , I do not want the 1200. Had 2 of them and they just too top heavy and I want to ride dirt .

I have also owned the first Tiger 800 but sold it because of the annoying whine at 4500 rpm , bad brakes and a few other niggles.