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Title: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on November 06, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
The Triumph Australia importer is posting that there will soon be a firmware upgrade all all Triumphs with TFT screens to allow the sort of connectivity that the new Scrambler 1200 has. They are specifically saying all bikes with TFT screens not just new models from a certain date. Directions from a phone, make and receive calls and play music from a phone.
Anybody heard anything?
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: John Will on November 06, 2018, 09:59:42 PM
When booked in for my 500 mile service I complained to my dealer about the hipster scrambler with google etc, it appears that I was one of many. It seems stupid that a genuine touring mc does not have this option.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on November 06, 2018, 10:48:15 PM
Here in the Netherlands there was a pressrelease.
Yes, it is also for the 2018 models with a tftscreen.
You have to buy a Bluetooth module and the software must be updated.
Prices will be released in januari and you can buy it in late spring.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: NeoHurricane on November 07, 2018, 07:08:38 AM
I was discussing the new Scrambler with Pidcocks but they didn't mention an upgrade being available, didn't specifically ask about it to be fair...
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on November 07, 2018, 07:20:21 AM
*Originally Posted by Rooie [+]
You have to buy a Bluetooth module and the software must be updated.

I dread to think what Triumph will be charging for the $5 BT dongle required and the firmware update.
I wonder where the dongle will plug in?
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on November 07, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/tft-connectivity
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: KildareMan on November 07, 2018, 09:55:00 AM
So will require a modification to the loom as well I imagine.

@John Will.  Bit unfair calling the Scrambler 1200 a hipster.  I can't imagine many hipsters buying one tbh.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on November 07, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
So will require a modification to the loom as well I imagine.

I doubt it. This feature will have been designed into the system before the screens were ever released. There will either be a spare socket somewhere for the BT or there will be a place to plug it in inside the TFT screen module I suspect.
Think how small a BT USB module for a mouse connected to a notebook is. They are only about the same size as a standard motorcycle fuse these days.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on November 07, 2018, 11:16:17 AM
I'm very curieus how much Triumph will charge us for this optional update..
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: KildareMan on November 07, 2018, 01:08:33 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
I doubt it. This feature will have been designed into the system before the screens were ever released. There will either be a spare socket somewhere for the BT or there will be a place to plug it in inside the TFT screen module I suspect.
Think how small a BT USB module for a mouse connected to a notebook is. They are only about the same size as a standard motorcycle fuse these days.

True
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rtwo on November 07, 2018, 04:14:28 PM
They could have built it in like many other manufacturers do, seems to be a failing at the design stage IMO
Now it'll be more expensive to do on new bikes coming off the line, which I bet the upgraders will have to pay for royally

We'll see - but as a benchmark, the similarly named KTM MyRide was £8 for the app and a free software update to enable it.


Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: NeoHurricane on November 07, 2018, 06:34:46 PM
*Originally Posted by NeoHurricane [+]
I was discussing the new Scrambler with Pidcocks but they didn't mention an upgrade being available, didn't specifically ask about it to be fair...
Update:  Today Pidcocks posted something on Facebook that the new connectivity will be available late Spring...
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rtwo on November 08, 2018, 05:57:49 AM
looks neat enough

https://twitter.com/UKTriumph/status/1060200500249935873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: healdem on November 08, 2018, 06:16:50 AM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
They could have built it in like many other manufacturers do, seems to be a failing at the design stage IMO
Now it'll be more expensive to do on new bikes coming off the line, which I bet the upgraders will have to pay for royally

We'll see - but as a benchmark, the similarly named KTM MyRide was £8 for the app and a free software update to enable it.
My reading of what is being said is that device IS being fitted at no extra cost to all bikes  with the TFT screen from spring. Its an optional retrofit on all TFT bikes sold BEFORE then.

I don't know when the TFT screens were first introduced, but it feels to me tgat this is something they always intended to introduce but ran out of time or possibly, whoever builds their display module had always had this in mind from first design.

There is no comment on costs. Will it will be significantly more expensive on new bikes remains to be seen, whether upgrades will pay royally likewise. Auto electronics can be a harsh world which a USB dongle may not fit.

It may not be of any use on Scrambler or the mist of the traditional range as those are appealing to the hipster range, and we all know hipsters like Apple, and this is powered by Google  :492:

Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: T800XC on November 08, 2018, 07:32:07 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
I wonder where the dongle will plug in?
Possibly here...?
https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,24111.0.html

Unused switched supply with CAN bus signals (read through the pages of the link).
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Bladerunner99 on November 08, 2018, 11:10:48 AM
My thoughts exactly the same. 
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: bucksfizz on November 09, 2018, 10:26:19 AM
*Originally Posted by T800XC [+]
Possibly here...?
https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,24111.0.html

Unused switched supply with CAN bus signals (read through the pages of the link).

Drat! If that's the case, then some of us will have to find a new power supply for our sat navs.
Why doesn't Triumph give us a switched power supply for accessories?
I have one on my cheap KTM 390 Duke, and BMW supplies a special sat nav power supply under the headstock on the R1200 GS.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: healdem on November 09, 2018, 10:38:31 AM
*Originally Posted by bucksfizz [+]
Drat! If that's the case, then some of us will have to find a new power supply for our sat navs.
Why doesn't Triumph give us a switched power supply for accessories?
I have one on my cheap KTM 390 Duke, and BMW supplies a special sat nav power supply under the headstock on the R1200 GS.

so use a self powered USB hib, say one with two outputs.
or knock up a Y cable
All you want is power on one socket and data + power on the other.

but check the power demand of your GPS to see if its not already at or near maximum

of course the other approach is to ditch your GPS and use the alternative nav service offered by this mooted device. as to what the costs for the service weill be I don't know.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a subscription service
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: bucksfizz on November 09, 2018, 10:52:07 AM
Some good suggestions there, healdem.
From what I've seen of the sat nav on the TFT, it's going to be a simple turn by turn display at the bottom right; it won't be a full map.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: KildareMan on November 09, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
*Originally Posted by bucksfizz [+]
Drat! If that's the case, then some of us will have to find a new power supply for our sat navs.
Why doesn't Triumph give us a switched power supply for accessories?
I have one on my cheap KTM 390 Duke, and BMW supplies a special sat nav power supply under the headstock on the R1200 GS.

Buy a 3 fuse solution from Eastern Beaver. 
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: mcinlb on November 09, 2018, 11:09:16 AM
*Originally Posted by bucksfizz [+]
Some good suggestions there, healdem.
From what I've seen of the sat nav on the TFT, it's going to be a simple turn by turn display at the bottom right; it won't be a full map.

Yes , that's what I take from the email I got from my Triumph dealer, I think I'll stick with my existing sat nav for routing and navigation..
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: pme on November 09, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
 I have no way of finding out but perhaps the tyre pressure monitoring uses bluetooth, in which case the connectivity part is already there?
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rtwo on November 09, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
*Originally Posted by pme [+]
I have no way of finding out but perhaps the tyre pressure monitoring uses bluetooth, in which case the connectivity part is already there?

No, TPMS signals are transmitted at 433MHz or 315MHz
Bluetooth is between 2.402 GHz and 2.480 GHz
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on November 11, 2018, 11:11:05 AM
KTM has the same function. Also for the 2017 models at no extra cost. You only have to buy the MY RIDE app for 8 pounds.
But the KTM models probably already have a Bluetooth module buidin.
I'm very curieus how much Triumph will charge us for this new function..
www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/march/ktm-my-ride-motorcycle-adventure/
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on November 11, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
*Originally Posted by Rooie [+]
KTM has the same function. Also for the 2017 models at no extra cost. You only have to buy the MY RIDE app for 8 pounds.
But the KTM models probably already have a Bluetooth module buidin.

These features are rapidly becoming standard on bikes equipped with TFT screens which will pretty well be all bikes within a year or two.
Ducati have it on the Multistrada range and 2019 Scramblers, BMW have it on many bikes, HD and Indian have it, KTM as mentioned has it, Moto Guzzi has in on the new 2019 V85TT and have said will will become standard across the range.
The difference afaik is the Triumph are the first to do it as a retrofit. All the other manufacturers' bikes either have it or they don't. Kudos to Triumph for offering the retrofit as long as it is sensibly priced.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rtwo on November 11, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
It was a retrofit on the 1290 KTMs, albeit just a FOC firmware update
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on November 11, 2018, 11:40:27 AM
We also have to buy a Bluetooth module. Normally that doesn't have to be expensive but you'll never know with Triumph..
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Davy on November 12, 2018, 07:07:48 AM
Pardon my stupidity but ... why would i want this bluetooth thingy?
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on November 12, 2018, 07:20:21 AM
You need that if you want the new functions on your tft dashboard. Such as turn by turn navigation on your dashboard. Or managing your music. The Bluetooth module connects your dashboard with your mobile phone. It gets his information from your phone.
If you don't want these new functions than you also don't need the Bluetooth module..
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: healdem on November 12, 2018, 08:46:28 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
These features are rapidly becoming standard on bikes equipped with TFT screens which will pretty well be all bikes within a year or two.


..which makes the bitter twisted warped cynic think that the display is probably a generic one, made for bikes and Triumph are late to the idea of phone integration.

Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: commuter on November 22, 2018, 04:49:58 AM
*Originally Posted by Davy [+]
Pardon my stupidity but ... why would i want this bluetooth thingy?

 To control the music on your phone via the joystick or to accept or reject calls via the joystick, motorcycle system needs some means/connection to your phone. This connection is achieved via Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on November 22, 2018, 07:00:43 AM
*Originally Posted by healdem [+]
..which makes the bitter twisted warped cynic think that the display is probably a generic one, made for bikes and Triumph are late to the idea of phone integration.

Of course they don't make the TFT screen. Everything is specialised these days and all manufacturers like Triumph do largely is assemble components made by third parties that have been modified to the manufacturers spec. Triumph don't make the braking system or ABS, they don't make the ECU, they don't make the fuel injection, they don't make the battery, starter motor assembly, suspension, tyres, switches, headlight and tail light assemblies, indicators or a host of other parts on each bike. In the old days Triumph never made the Smiths speedos or the Lucas electrics or the Amal carburettors. Nothing has changed really there are just more individual parts from more companies.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: ozrob on December 04, 2018, 12:39:37 AM
I wonder if Triumph UK will notify the dealers in Australia that the TFT upgrade will be available, as I am keen to have it on my XCA 800 due to being able to connect the phone to the screen and use the toggle buttons to accept or reject calls.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: tewe on January 31, 2019, 08:06:54 AM
*Originally Posted by Rooie [+]
Here in the Netherlands there was a pressrelease.
Yes, it is also for the 2018 models with a tftscreen.
You have to buy a Bluetooth module and the software must be updated.
Prices will be released in januari and you can buy it in late spring.

January release of prices changed now to 'late February/early March' statement. Also availability header states that it will 'on the latter part of 2019'.

tewe
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: triumphant on March 18, 2019, 03:24:13 PM
Has anyone seen any update on this?  I'd be keen to know what the damage would be before I consider other options.  I'm mainly looking at it for managing my GoPro but the other features are nice to haves too.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: tcbandituk on March 18, 2019, 03:46:06 PM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]

@John Will.  Bit unfair calling the Scrambler 1200 a hipster.  I can't imagine many hipsters buying one tbh.

The Bobber is the hipster model  :002:
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rooie on March 18, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
I called a few Triumph dealers here in the Netherlands and I was told that there was a problem with a thirt party about licenses.
And that they were told that the Bluetooth module and software update would cost around €250. And that they expect and hope that everything will be available at the end of the year.. For me it is not interesting any more if €250 is really the price.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on March 19, 2019, 06:08:25 AM
*Originally Posted by Rooie [+]
I called a few Triumph dealers here in the Netherlands and I was told that there was a problem with a thirt party about licenses.
And that they were told that the Bluetooth module and software update would cost around €250. And that they expect and hope that everything will be available at the end of the year.. For me it is not interesting any more if €250 is really the price.

It will not surprise me if that is the price. The story I have heard in Australia is "expensive" - north of AUD$400.00 for the BT module fitting and the firmware upgrade.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: triumphant on March 19, 2019, 11:38:21 AM
Wow, those prices are harsh.  I have Street RS that I'd get tweaked too so that rather messes with that master plan.  Hmm bugger.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: ubermick on June 25, 2019, 04:02:30 PM
Still waiting, Triumph. But couldn't wait any longer, so pulled the trigger on my new XRT so I could get in on the $1,000 back and free panniers. (Which I suppose offsets the potential of €250/$300 to have it sorted down the road)
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Moz from Oz on September 13, 2019, 10:37:43 PM
*Originally Posted by ozrob [+]
I wonder if Triumph UK will notify the dealers in Australia that the TFT upgrade will be available, as I am keen to have it on my XCA 800 due to being able to connect the phone to the screen and use the toggle buttons to accept or reject calls.

I just picked up my new 2019 Tiger 800XRT and ask the salesman about the upgrade,
he said they are expecting to launch it in November this year, you will need to buy a bluetooth module worth about $250.
It basically will work like the Android Auto I have in my new Pajero Sport where it uses all the function of your mobile phone,
eg: receiving and making calls all hands free, Google maps, will read out and send your messages for your, play your music, all this is done with voice commands.
If it works as good as my Pajero I will be very happy.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on September 14, 2019, 12:17:37 AM
*Originally Posted by Moz from Oz [+]
eg: receiving and making calls all hands free, Google maps, will read out and send your messages for your, play your music, all this is done with voice commands.

First of all you need to be careful about Maps. The Triumph system will not actually display a map. It will simply display an arrow indicating what to do. Say turn left in 2 km sort of thing.
Secondly to access the things like phones or music you need an in helmet BT system like a Sena or Cardo or other brand and those systems already do virtually all the functions the Triumph (or any other current motorcycle brand) version of the software can so so effectively you will be paying $250 plus probably another $100 fitting charge to Peter Stevens to basically duplicate what your headset already does by connecting directly to a phone.. If you spend $150 on a cheap Android based motorcycle GPS from eBay and another $50-$70 on an eBay headset you will not only have everything the Triumph system has but you will also have a 5” display proper map for routes plus effectively a 5” Android tablet to use for things like email and web browsing if you want.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Q on September 14, 2019, 06:44:13 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
First of all, you need to be careful about Maps. The Triumph system will not actually display a map.

Agree - looked at the PR blurb about the update and went "so what" - already have all of that (and more) including a Sena BT interface for the two-way radios we use when marshalling. All that this additional BT unit will do, is to compete for primacy with the other BT kit I already have - seems that only one BT unit can be the primary transceiver in any setup - the other units all act as secondary units? Guess that's why you have to connect your phone to the GPS first and then connect the GPS to the headset - the GPS is the primary and relays your phone to the headset.

So the upgrade now probably wants to make the TFT the primary BT transceiver and it will simply regurgitate whatever directions Google Maps on your phone wants to send to you. It theoretically negates the need for a separate GPS on the bike, but it will cost you a fortune in mobile data costs. Besides, where I usually ride on the backroads in South Africa, there is neither cellphone reception and Google Maps goes "HUH?" because according to them, there is no road where I've been riding for the past few hours.

At the point now where, unless I need to connect/switch kit on for marshalling duties, I leave all of it off/at home and simply pipe some decent music from my ancient Ipod into my headset via an aux cable - if I missed your call, well that is just toughski shitski as they say in the Russian Marines.

What I will do with the Triumph BT unit, is to see if it hooks up with the TigerTools kit that this forum so kindly provided - if it works, that might justify the purchase.

Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on September 14, 2019, 11:19:44 AM
*Originally Posted by Q [+]
Guess that's why you have to connect your phone to the GPS first and then connect the GPS to the headset - the GPS is the primary and relays your phone to the headset.

I don't do that with my Sena 20S on my Shoei X2 helmet or my Sena SRL on my Neotec. Both connect independently to the phone and to the GPS. That way when I am riding the Tiger if the GPS is fitted I get both phone and GPS and if it is not I get phone only. When I'm riding my Ducati with no GPS I get phone only.
Generally I turn audio instructions off from the GPS anyway unless I am leading a ride that goes somewhere I am not too sure about. I find that the GPS audio instructions always interrupt discussions with SWMBO.


*Originally Posted by Q [+]
but it will cost you a fortune in mobile data costs. Besides, where I usually ride on the backroads in South Africa,

Maps do not generally use much if any mobile data on a ride. Sections of map are downloaded to the phone and all the GPS calculations and instructions are done from within the phone using its own GPS chip to figure out where it is independent of the mobile network. That is how your Google Maps think you are not on a road. If you have the ability to download and use topo maps that situation would be removed. There is a company here in Australia that does topo maps for phones there may be one in SA.

I doubt very much that you will be able to use the Triumph BT module with Tiger Tools. It would be nice if you could but I suspect Triumph would lock that down fairly hard otherwise it opens up a Pandoras box of people being potentially able to access their bikes remotely maybe even without the owners knowledge and do nasty things to them.

The other thing to consider with this feature is that here in Australia at least it will cost something in the $300+ range fitted and it will add exactly $0 to the resale value of the bike and will not be able to be transferred to another bike (at least not without cost I'm sure). Buying a BT headset and a separate motorcycle specific GPS can be done for the same or less money and that equipment can be transferred to another bike or sold separately if required plus offers more functionality.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Q on September 14, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
I don't do that with my Sena 20S on my Shoei X2 helmet or my Sena SRL on my Neotec. Both connect independently to the phone and to the GPS.

Have BT in the SRC system collar in a Schuberth E1 and the instructions to connect are as per the manual. Has been a total pain in the ar$& especially since I unnecessarily over-complicated my own life by introducing a further BT transceiver for two-way radio comms. Glad to hear that you seem to have good results with a all-Sena setup.

Think the BT protocols might well be different but frankly I've just given up with the whole comms thing - interferes with the sound of the Akropovic pipe on the bike anyway :-)

Apropos the roads, have dedicated dirt track/back road maps from a local mapping co (Tracks4Africa) loaded on the GPS - Google Maps on a TFT screen are never going to be able to match that.

Agree with you that the kit will add zero value to the bike - both from a re-sale and, in my particular case, a functionality point-of-view.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on September 14, 2019, 02:08:31 PM
AFAIK the Schubeth SRC system is made by Sena.
I have mates who have recently switched to Schubeth C4 helmets with the SRC and neither of them like it. That is one of the reasons I stayed with Shoei and purchased the Neotec. The only issue I have with the Neotec SRL is that there is no way to plug an aux source in like you can on the 20S.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Rtwo on September 14, 2019, 03:42:18 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
AFAIK the Schubeth SRC system is made by Sena.
I have mates who have recently switched to Schubeth C4 helmets with the SRC and neither of them like it. That is one of the reasons I stayed with Shoei and purchased the Neotec. The only issue I have with the Neotec SRL is that there is no way to plug an aux source in like you can on the 20S.

It used to be Cardo so there's likely to be a mix out there
I prefer the Sena 10U in a Schuberth
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Q on September 14, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
It used to be Cardo so there's likely to be a mix out there
I prefer the Sena 10U in a Schuberth

My SRC is quite old - took it out of my C3 when I got the E1 and must admit that apart from the fact that it is very picky about which BT devices it wants to pair with, I've had good service out of it and can't complain.

The E1 is good while I'm marshalling as you often have to speak to cagers/pedestrians/cyclists and the modular works well for that. As an adv helmet, it sucks - not enough airflow when riding dirt tracks with too many nooks and crannies to clean and get the dust out of. It is actually just a C2 with a peak and I bought an Arai X4 for the dirty road riding - louder than the E1 on the road but an absolute pleasure in terms of fit and airflow. Stuck an old Sena first gen BT unit on that just for the sake of listening to music.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on September 15, 2019, 12:51:53 AM
*Originally Posted by Q [+]
The E1 is good while I'm marshalling as you often have to speak to cagers/pedestrians/cyclists and the modular works well for that.

Same reason I relented and purchased the Neotec. I have 4 cycling events to do between now and Christmas then more in the new year through till mid March.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: zsguerreiro on January 27, 2020, 08:54:29 AM
Does anyone have any updates on this? Thought this would be available by now?
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: applecorp on January 27, 2020, 03:25:08 PM
*Originally Posted by zsguerreiro [+]
Does anyone have any updates on this? Thought this would be available by now?

Triumphs website still says "coming soon".
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Lopez on January 28, 2020, 07:45:07 AM
*Originally Posted by zsguerreiro [+]
Does anyone have any updates on this? Thought this would be available by now?

In Spain, it's currently available for other models. No news for Tiger... I suspect it will never arrive.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: OzzieTiger on January 28, 2020, 09:58:14 AM
Whatever it is it's going to be made from unobtanium and priced accordingly!
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Reyno99 on January 28, 2020, 09:02:25 PM
Will need a Bluetooth module installed also.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: K1W1 on January 28, 2020, 09:11:35 PM
From what I have read this update provides less functionality than even the cheapest third party GPS and once installed will effectively be money burnt as it won’t add value to the bike for resale and won’t be able to be reused on another bike the way a third party GPS can.
You will be able to control your GoPro from the handlebars, thrills but you will need to buy a late model GoPro first which also adds to the cost of the firmware update and the Bluetooth module.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: applecorp on January 29, 2020, 07:41:06 AM
Yep, seems like a huge expense for a small amount of convenience.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Djairouks on January 29, 2020, 08:41:32 AM
Just saw a french guy on YouTube making a test on his Rocket, Triumphant, basically Gopro needs a Hero 5 all others aren't compatible, you can switch music with joystick, or see messages on screen, but navigation basically gives you turn left in 500m and street name, or which exit to take in the roundabout, nothing very fancy no real big graphics.

Don't think it's that interesting, because most of us on our adventure machines will want to see maps and have a big screen for that, or I'd rather sometimes just connect my phone to my helmet headset and follow voice guidance, it's not worse than the week indications this Triumph turn by turn option gives.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: triumphant on January 29, 2020, 11:52:48 AM
I spoke to my dealer about this about a fortnight ago and his reply stated that Triumph still haven't provided an exact release date but they do know what's involved with the fitting and update now.  To that end, and this is just my local dealer so others may differ for whatever reason, he quoted £308 fitted.

I agree re the usefulness around the GPS, however, for quick and easy use it may be a nice bolt on. For me personally the ability to select music from my phone and control my GoPro without faffing around with thick gloves on will be the biggest benefit.  Just not sure whether I'm prepared to pay what they are asking to do that.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Djairouks on January 29, 2020, 11:59:07 AM
*Originally Posted by triumphant [+]
I spoke to my dealer about this about a fortnight ago and his reply stated that Triumph still haven't provided an exact release date but they do know what's involved with the fitting and update now.  To that end, and this is just my local dealer so others may differ for whatever reason, he quoted £308 fitted.

I agree re the usefulness around the GPS, however, for quick and easy use it may be a nice bolt on. For me personally the ability to select music from my phone and control my GoPro without faffing around with thick gloves on will be the biggest benefit.  Just not sure whether I'm prepared to pay what they are asking to do that.

If like me you use Google music on am Android phone, just use Bluetooth headset, say ok Google and you can ask to play your music by vocal commands, it's weird nobody seems to know this exists, you can also ask Google maps to make an itinerary, with vocal commands !
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: triumphant on January 29, 2020, 12:10:00 PM
I'm one of those Apple users so alas that doesn't work for me.  Siri requires you to unlock your phone for certain functions - a hurdle I have come across for selecting certain things.
Title: Re: Firmware upgrade coming for all TFT screen Tigers
Post by: Djairouks on January 29, 2020, 12:55:40 PM
*Originally Posted by triumphant [+]
I'm one of those Apple users so alas that doesn't work for me.  Siri requires you to unlock your phone for certain functions - a hurdle I have come across for selecting certain things.

Been years I'm telling people ditch your Iphones, there's so much more stuff you can do with Android  :027:.