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Bikers Chat => On Two Wheels => Topic started by: Andylaser on December 09, 2018, 10:46:12 AM

Title: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Andylaser on December 09, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
The original Speed Twin, first released in 1938, was a benchmark for the British motorcycle industry. But when Triumph’s factory in Coventry was wiped out in World War II, it was the Speed Twin that the kept the company alive. Now, for the first time since it was retired in 1966, Triumph is making a Speed Twin again.

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/V7REy/s3/new-2019-triumph-speed-twin-1200.jpg)

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/crash.net/visordown.com/styles/v2_large/s3/2019%20Speed%20Twin_EXHAUST.jpg?itok=UDK7Dhvj)

More info here

https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/triumph-speed-twin-1200-%E2%80%93-full-reveal-and-specs

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2018/december/new-triumph-speed-twin-1200-revealed
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: K1W1 on December 09, 2018, 11:20:54 AM
There is something odd about the looks. The stripe on the tank being angled down makes it look like the tank is not properly seated down at the back. I think the angle would look better with an 18 or 19" front wheel.
I prefer the overall look to the Bonnie and I hope it's more exciting to ride than the 1200 Bonnie but I could not live with that tank stripe.
I also notice Triumph have finally given up on the faux carbs.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: bucksfizz on December 09, 2018, 12:01:36 PM
I like it - it sits nicely between the Thruxton and T120 models.
I suspect its biggest market will be the US.
I wonder whether there'll be an "R" model with an upside-down front fork and better spec Öhlins rear shock absorbers.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Hobbes-II on December 10, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
Should be more exciting than the Bonnie -- 97 bhp, 112 Nm. I like the look of it a lot. But I'd like it better if they put proper mudguards on it.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: KildareMan on December 10, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
Drop dead gorgeous.   :028:
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on December 10, 2018, 03:36:18 PM
This Speed Twin is, imo, what the Bonnie should have been back in 2001. The roadburner the original was back in its day. Sooner have had an RGS though.  :008:
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: StretchToo on December 12, 2018, 04:33:06 PM
Yeah, completely agree, I absolutely loved my 2001 bonnie, but until I'd sorted out the handling and put Norman Hyde pipes and a dynojet kit on it it felt like a superdream - not terrible because the superdream was a pretty nice bike, but then again not exactly inspiring. They eventually did turn out to be a top seller as far as I know, but it took a capacity increase.

I think they mistakenly presumed people would swap the standard pipes out, but especially at the time (18 years ago) they were selling to old nostalgia junkies who kept bikes stock. There are now so many pristine bikes around that have barely turned a wheel in 15 years it's ridiculous, if they'd been a better stock bike I'm sure they would have been ridden more.

The only problem with the current range is they keep going for lower and lower seat heights on the affordable models and it makes them less and less useful to 6'3" me, as they don't offer any high seat options. So here I am, riding an XC for the legroom (and the thrills!).

It's a shame the 21" wheel 1200 Scrambler is so pricey, that would fit me.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on December 12, 2018, 04:43:01 PM
We won't know what the comfort is until we sit on it. All about seat to peg for us old boys with bad hips & knees.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Toeknee on January 17, 2019, 05:28:19 PM
Conceptually bang on the money but who on earth thought it was a good idea to replace those beautiful carbs with ‘torn open’ sardine tins and leave it with vestigial mudguards! I agree with the comment about the line too. Having said that, I quite fancy replacing my Multistrada with a black one of these.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Derchef1962 on January 20, 2019, 08:39:06 PM
Funnily enough a guy in the most respected motorcycle magazine over here in Germany checked the new twin royal Enfield 650 interceptor and wrote it came way more close to the 1977 T140 to any Modern Classic Triumph puts on the market these days.... In the end the author advises to spread some used oil every now and then under the bike to get the real feeling
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on January 20, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Derchef1962 [+]
Funnily enough a guy in the most respected motorcycle magazine over here in Germany checked the new twin royal Enfield 650 interceptor and wrote it came way more close to the 1977 T140 to any Modern Classic Triumph puts on the market these days.... In the end the author advises to spread some used oil every now and then under the bike to get the real feeling


Haha, brilliant, was that meant to be a derogatory comment about the RE?  :492:
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: samsgrandad on January 21, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
The Triumph top brass should be worried by the Royal Enfield Interceptor and Crusader GT, both with regard the price and the fact that they come with a 3 year warranty.

It will be interesting to see how they ride, roll on spring when both the Speed Twin and Royal Enfields should be in the dealers
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: tcbandituk on January 21, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
From what I've seen about the Royal Enfields and reliability, Triumph haven't got much to worry about......
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on January 22, 2019, 10:09:18 AM
It's great that RE have made it into the 1960's.

When is the 1200 Speed Twin due in the dealer showrooms?
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Derchef1962 on January 22, 2019, 01:19:29 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]

Haha, brilliant, was that meant to be a derogatory comment about the RE?  :492:
to the contrary my friend....
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Derchef1962 on January 22, 2019, 01:25:55 PM
*Originally Posted by tcbandituk [+]
From what I've seen about the Royal Enfields and reliability, Triumph haven't got much to worry about......
probably true...

couple of months ago I was on the notorious bike meeting point with my Bobber. Guy came up walked around the bike several times and inspected the bike closely. Getting curious I asked the chap what he was up to. Turned out he was an engineer working with Continental and responsible for their motorbike brake systems used by Triumph. He explained his behaviour with the fact that he normally saw the bikes in a pre-production state but not really finished. Anyway we had a nice chat and the Guy said he was always most impressed by the care Triumph takes at details and quality. He said Triumphs quality control has a much higher standard than BMW.

To my personal experience my Tiger is the most reliable bike I ever had, can't say very much about the Bobber in this respect as this is the new kid on the block and they alreay had to change the ignition lock barrel as it had tiny cracks in it.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on January 22, 2019, 04:45:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Derchef1962 [+]
Turned out he was an engineer working with Continental and responsible for their motorbike brake systems used by Triumph.

Did he explain which Continental parts were used on Triumphs?


*Originally Posted by Derchef1962 [+]
Bobber in this respect as this is the new kid on the block and they already had to change the ignition lock barrel as it had tiny cracks in it.

Was this a recall? my pal has a Speed Master 1200, likely same ignition barrel.

Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Derchef1962 on January 28, 2019, 03:36:00 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Did he explain which Continental parts were used on Triumphs?
He said ABS braking system but I am not absolutely sure
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Was this a recall? my pal has a Speed Master 1200, likely same ignition barrel.
no recall I noticed the cracks which became visible with the engine heat, it took the Triumph dealer a day to get the front lock out eventually they drilled it out... they had to change that front lock as the new ignition barrel came with a different key...
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on January 28, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Derchef1962 [+]
He said ABS braking system but I am not absolutely sure. no recall I noticed the cracks which became visible with the engine heat, it took the Triumph dealer a day to get the front lock out eventually they drilled it out... they had to change that front lock as the new ignition barrel came with a different key...

Ok thanks for the reply, I had to drill the lock out of my Yam to fettle the tumblers, they're snap off security bolts.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Derchef1962 on January 28, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Ok thanks for the reply, I had to drill the lock out of my Yam to fettle the tumblers, they're snap off security bolts.

Fettle the tumblers? Forgive me but I haven't got a clue what you're talking about...
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on January 29, 2019, 09:01:49 AM
*Originally Posted by Derchef1962 [+]
Fettle the tumblers? Forgive me but I haven't got a clue what you're talking about...

When older Yam ignition switches get a bit stiff, the key doesn't turn easy, you have to push it forward to turn it, Kwak are pull back, the tumblers are worn. A cure (bodge) is to strip the switch & trim the tumblers to suit, dab of grease & refit. You can continue to push/pull the key but one day it might not work. Likely cause is they were assembled dry. The proper cure is obviously a new ignition switch. My 25 year old grey import traillie gets fettled best I can, spares are not easily obtainable.
Title: Re: New Triumph Speed Twin 1200
Post by: Paulhere on January 29, 2019, 01:39:33 PM
Have we had this vid.