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Title: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 06:05:56 AM
Anyone ever used Slime or another puncture prevention system? I will be riding in some remote areas in a few weeks and I do not have tyre levers to replace innertubes at the roadside.


What are peoples thoughts on these kinds of products and has anyone done a roadside innertube replacement. I have considered buying motion pro tyre levers, which are expensive, but supposed to be good kit, but my local bike shop has repeatedly told me I will not be able to break the bead.

Thanks in advance

Jed


 
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Rtwo on April 15, 2019, 06:41:43 AM
If you're going to be in remote areas you need the means to support yourself and that means tyre levers (among other things)
You can't rely on tyre sealants

Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: K1W1 on April 15, 2019, 06:42:59 AM
I've never been a fan of Slime and its competitors and never seen any of them work first hand but I have seen reports from people our claim that it has worked for them so I guess it is a case of taking chances and weighing up risk versus reward.

One option would be to convert the tyres to tubeless which means you can carry plugs for most punctures.

If you are travelling with another bike you can use the side stand of the bike with no puncture to break the bead on a tyre. Put the punctured wheel flat on the ground and put the sidestand foot on the tyre then let the weight of the bike push the stand down and break the bead (use a human on the bike for more weight is required.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 08:55:35 AM
Thanks for the replies fellas. Iím travelling solo. Iíve got all the other kit I should require in case of ...

Iím going to purchase some tyre levers and possibly the motion pro bead breaker. At least then Iíll have a chance of replacing tubes if need be.

Any recommendations on levers?
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Paulhere on April 15, 2019, 09:09:12 AM
There is a similar thread running on this subject.

Without rimlocks, a puncture can rip the valve, so repair is new tube. We carry all the necessary on trail bikes. Most punctures we get are pinch punctures caused by running low pressures for grip then hitting a sharp rock, hard. These tyre levers imo best compromise.
https://ruggedroads.co.uk/buzetti-pro-tyre-levers-00-962

For touring in remote areas on a heavy bike I'd forget all that & go with tough D/P tyres & extra h/d Michelin tubes. Pray you don't get a flat. Better still, swap the XC for XR.  :164:
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 09:34:12 AM
Nice one. Iím covered by breakdown assist in most of the countries Iíll be in. My concern was Northern Albania and Kosovo. My thinking is Iíll be stuffed if I get a flat without a lift to a garage. Iím only there a few days, so hopefully it will be right, I just wanted to be self sufficient. Think Iíll get levers anyway.

Thanks for the info and link.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: walt on April 15, 2019, 12:15:11 PM
I use a 6ins G clamp to break the bead if i'm at home, not perfect, but it gets the job done, a bit hard/big to stash on the bike though.....


https://www.toolstation.com/g-clamp/p17212



Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 12:51:54 PM
*Originally Posted by walt [+]
I use a 6ins G clamp to break the bead if i'm at home, not perfect, but it gets the job done, a bit hard/big to stash on the bike though.....


https://www.toolstation.com/g-clamp/p17212

That sounds like a good solution! Iíve got panniers so the size shouldnít be an issue. Thanks.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: tewe on April 15, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
Might be that I got entirely wrong impression of your post but just in case you have not actually changed the tire with these tools earlier I would strongly recommend to do so at home. At the roadside when there's good chances for darkness, rain, mud and many other aspects being worse than in your garage it might be a bit too much to start to practice then. Also consider how you plan to inflate the new tires. I would also recommend bike puncture repair kit as the cost and additional weight is minimal and it offers you the chance to fix the inner tube in case you break it during the replacement.

tewe
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: lanerider on April 15, 2019, 02:10:30 PM
i used slime on all my dirt bikes it saved a lot of hassle and worked a treat
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 08:18:02 PM
*Originally Posted by tewe [+]
Might be that I got entirely wrong impression of your post but just in case you have not actually changed the tire with these tools earlier I would strongly recommend to do so at home. At the roadside when there's good chances for darkness, rain, mud and many other aspects being worse than in your garage it might be a bit too much to start to practice then. Also consider how you plan to inflate the new tires. I would also recommend bike puncture repair kit as the cost and additional weight is minimal and it offers you the chance to fix the inner tube in case you break it during the replacement.

tewe

This is the problem mate. Iíve never changed a tyre! But I do a lot of riding abroad - so far Iíve never had a flat. In Greece I have friends who could help out if I had a blowout, but in the mountains of northern Albania and Kosovo itís a different ball game hence the original question re slime or a similar product. Ideally I would like to be able to change the tubes but I am thinking it might not work out.
I think Iíll carry levers and tubes anyways. Might also put the slime in too. I was concerned it might fek up the tyres. Canít find many much info on folk who have used it. If it isnít going to do any harm I guess I might as well use it.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
*Originally Posted by lanerider [+]
i used slime on all my dirt bikes it saved a lot of hassle and worked a treat

Thanks for your input. Does it have any detrimental effects in anyway to tyres and pressure etc?
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 15, 2019, 08:25:52 PM
I think going forward I am going to convert my tyres to tubeless. So much easier to fix a flat on the road.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: DJ Steve on April 15, 2019, 10:12:44 PM
On a slight tangent :084:, I've done a bit of mountain biking with Neilson activity holidays in Greece.All their hire bikes have slime or similar . The bike guys seem to prefer this to fixing punctures.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: K1W1 on April 16, 2019, 12:25:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Jedventure rider [+]
This is the problem mate. Iíve never changed a tyre!

If that is the case then don't even bother unless you intend to spend your next few weekends doing nothing but taking the wheel off your bike and swapping tubes and putting the wheels back. There is no way a first timer will successfully replace a modern tubed tyre beside the road without assistance.
The countries that you are talking about riding in are full of vehicles with tubed tyres and people who regularly repair them. There may not be formal roadside assistance but I bet that if you do have an issue you will have no problems at all getting help from one or several locals very quickly.In these places you will get way more help from locals than you would in many parts of western Europe.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: tewe on April 16, 2019, 08:16:06 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
If that is the case then don't even bother unless you intend to spend your next few weekends doing nothing but taking the wheel off your bike and swapping tubes and putting the wheels back. There is no way a first timer will successfully replace a modern tubed tyre beside the road without assistance.
The countries that you are talking about riding in are full of vehicles with tubed tyres and people who regularly repair them. There may not be formal roadside assistance but I bet that if you do have an issue you will have no problems at all getting help from one or several locals very quickly.In these places you will get way more help from locals than you would in many parts of western Europe.

I second this one. Distances in those areas are short, plenty of local tire shops in the villages etc. You will find a way to get it fixed, especially if you carry own tubes with you for replacement. When you go to 'real' remote areas then you would consider of carrying all those tools needed for own work.

tewe
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Jedventure rider on April 16, 2019, 09:03:17 AM
Thanks to everyone for all the replies. I appreciate all your contributions and advice.

Iíve always found people to be helpful, especially to a lone rider. Iíll trust things to pan out for the best. Two short weeks then Iím off. Starting to get excited now!

Have a great day all. Stay upright. 


Jed.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: troop on April 16, 2019, 11:41:45 AM
I've been using Ride-On tire sealant in all my bikes for years. Can't vouch that it works for punctures, but multiple media reviews show it to be effective. It is not a sloppy mess come tire change time, as it pools nicely in the tread area of the inner tire.
https://www.ride-on.com/us/support/tire-types/motorcycle-formula
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Kevh on April 16, 2019, 10:09:50 PM
I have used some tyre slime in tubes before but I'm not really a fan of it I found it bunged the valves up so I couldn't get a proper tyre pressure gauge to work (take spare valves if you do use it) also if you do have to stick a patch on the tube it's not likely to stick as the slime will interact with the glue.
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: Oldbear on May 26, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
*Originally Posted by tewe [+]
Might be that I got entirely wrong impression of your post but just in case you have not actually changed the tire with these tools earlier I would strongly recommend to do so at home. At the roadside when there's good chances for darkness, rain, mud and many other aspects being worse than in your garage it might be a bit too much to start to practice then. Also consider how you plan to inflate the new tires. I would also recommend bike puncture repair kit as the cost and additional weight is minimal and it offers you the chance to fix the inner tube in case you break it during the replacement.

tewe
+1.  Changing a tire at roadside can be done, but itís a PITA, especially if youíve not done it before or find you need tools you donít have with you😳.   Strongly recommend you try it at home first.   You almost certainly will need a ďbead breakerĒ of some sort and a decent set of spoons  (tar arns here😏).   Try it, figure out what you need, and then pack and carry the kit with you.  A patch kit is good, an extra tube better.  I used to carry both before I got tubeless..
Title: Re: Slime puncture prevention. Tyre changes on the road.
Post by: chuckxc on May 26, 2019, 11:37:10 PM
....and for all those bold Tiger pilots intent on fixing  tubes on the road, makes sure you've got the right tools to get the wheels off--you certainly won't find them in the OEM toolkit!