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Tiger 800 - Main Discussion Section => General Maintenance and Servicing => Topic started by: Robzulu80 on July 13, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

Title: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on July 13, 2019, 07:17:41 PM
Call me a dumbass if you like but unfortunately I donít have a owners manual to check, where is the correct oil level in the window at cold? Is it half way or at the top? Cheers ☺️
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: pahiker on July 13, 2019, 07:56:53 PM
The owner's manual indicates it should be at the halfway point when the engine is at operating temps. There is no mention of checking the level when cold.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on July 13, 2019, 08:13:28 PM
Thanks much appreciated
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: RockyMtn800 on July 13, 2019, 09:39:27 PM
From the 2018 Xrx Manual. "Start the engine and run at idle for approximately five minutes. ē Stop the engine, then wait for at least three minutes for the oil to settle. ē Note the oil level visible in the sight glass. ē When correct, oil should be visible in the sight glass at a point midway between the upper (maximum) and lower (minimum) horizontal lines marked on the crankcase.
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Note: ē An accurate indication of the level of oil in the engine is only shown when the engine is at normal operating temperature and the motorcycle is upright (not on the side stand).
 ē When correct, oil should be visible in the sight glass at a point midway between the upper (maximum) and lower (minimum) horizontal"
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on July 13, 2019, 09:49:30 PM
Thank you, I believe my bike is slightly over full so I will have to try it by the book and see the out come
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: K1W1 on July 14, 2019, 01:15:37 AM
*Originally Posted by Robzulu80 [+]
Thank you, I believe my bike is slightly over full so I will have to try it by the book and see the out come

As long as the oil is on or below the maximum mark there are no issues.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on July 14, 2019, 08:04:48 AM
What could happen if itís slughtly over full, letís say by 200ml?
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: steve@lincs on July 14, 2019, 09:38:21 AM
I find it helps with a second person to hold it upright so I can get to 'eye level' with the sight gkass, its a PIA really.

Ive often wondered about the wisdom of checking like this then seeing where the oil is on the side stand, so I have a new  level to work to.  Thing is, it often looks empty when warm and  the side srand is on the level.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Rtwo on July 14, 2019, 09:45:53 AM
just lean it against a wall or something if you struggle to hold it up and bend down to look

Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Wight Biker on July 14, 2019, 10:26:17 AM
Use a block of wood under the side stand so the bike is almost upright (take care not to have the wood too thick in case the bike goes just past the vertical). You can then check the oil level on your own. Done this for years and never had a problem of the bike falling over and filling up in this way the oil level is fine.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: petesear on July 14, 2019, 11:18:31 AM
Centre stand?
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on July 14, 2019, 11:21:24 AM
Well Iíve just checked my level doing it the way the manual says and itís perfect on the max line while on the centre stand so Iím happy with that 👍🏿
Thanks for the help! 😁
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: K1W1 on July 14, 2019, 12:18:21 PM
*Originally Posted by petesear [+]
Centre stand?

A centre stand on level ground lifts the back up so the bike is not level as far as the oil is concerned.
The best option is just have the bike on the side stand on level ground and stand on the right side tip the bike towards you so the bike is vertical hold the front brake on (I use my left hand) and bend down to see the level. With practice it is dead easy to do and really has no element of risk as you are holding the bike with the brake, the side stand is down to stop it falling left and you are using your hip to hold the bike vertical so there is no way it will overballence to the right.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: petesear on July 14, 2019, 12:21:54 PM
I level the bike front to rear manually whilst crouched down checking the site window.. works for me
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on July 14, 2019, 01:49:35 PM
On the centre stand you can see the level in the window slightly not level, itís quite easy to see where the level would be when the bike is more level. Itís near as dammit level anyway, Iíll get a photo next time Iím in the garage to show what I mean.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Stevie.P on July 14, 2019, 02:24:17 PM
*Originally Posted by petesear [+]
I level the bike front to rear manually whilst crouched down checking the site window.. works for me

 :0461: On the centre stand (provided you have one) it takes no effort to gently tip the bike back or forward and balance it to get the oil level relative to the marks.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: ZenDog on August 12, 2019, 10:37:46 AM
I have found the correct oil level fills the window when cold (and the bike level), any gap tells me its low. This is a far easier and quicker way of checking because I rarely follow the unnecessary complicated and vague procedure out side of oil changes.

On a side note does the oil usually look dark in the window?

I just did an oil change and the oil in the window looks dark already, this also happened when I did the first oil change when I got the bike but I thought it was because the previous owner had not changed the oil in a while.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Robzulu80 on August 12, 2019, 10:56:03 AM
Mine looked black when I did my first service but when I dropped the oil it looked a nice colour
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Bladerunner99 on August 12, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
It does turn black as soon as you replace with new oil.  It is very difficult to drain the old dirty oil completely, so what is left contaminates the new.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: ZenDog on August 12, 2019, 03:38:30 PM
Yes it looks dark immediately which made me think the window was tinted or there is an issue. Previous bikes I have had have had clear windows and the oil always looked fresh for weeks.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Rtwo on August 12, 2019, 03:42:41 PM
*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
I have found the correct oil level fills the window when cold (and the bike level), any gap tells me its low. This is a far easier and quicker way of checking because I rarely follow the unnecessary complicated and vague procedure out side of oil changes.


Just look at it after you've filled up with fuel, it at temp and settled, nothing complicated, unnecessarily so or other.

Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: ZenDog on August 12, 2019, 04:45:58 PM
Yep, that is another way, but you don't have any oil at hand (other than buying some) to top up if desperately needed.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: AvgBear on August 12, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
I have found the correct oil level fills the window when cold (and the bike level), any gap tells me its low.
*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
...but you don't have any oil at hand (other than buying some) to top up if desperately needed.
Any oil in the sight-glass is plenty -- low oil level is below the low level line on the sight-glass (and, that's still about a gallon of motor oil).

*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
On a side note does the oil usually look dark in the window?
Color of motor oil isn't much of an indicator of quality -- UOA (used oil spectrographic analysis) can determine quality and doesn't reference color at all.


Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Derchef1962 on August 12, 2019, 09:13:20 PM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
:0461: On the centre stand (provided you have one) it takes no effort to gently tip the bike back or forward and balance it to get the oil level relative to the marks.
exactly and you will also find out that the raised back wheel does not make much of a difference regarding the oil level. I put a piece of wood under the front wheel to level the bike on centre stand
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Stevie.P on August 12, 2019, 09:31:38 PM
*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
I have found the correct oil level fills the window when cold (and the bike level), any gap tells me its low. This is a far easier and quicker way of checking because I rarely follow the unnecessary complicated and vague procedure out side of oil changes.

If the glass is full how do you know what the level really is. Overfilled with oil can cause various detrimental results ... definately not a method to be encouraged.  :110:
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Derchef1962 on August 12, 2019, 11:59:01 PM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
If the glass is full how do you know what the level really is. Overfilled with oil can cause various detrimental results ... definately not a method to be encouraged.  :110:

and if the glass is full when the engine is cold there is definately too much oil
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: ZenDog on August 14, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
*Originally Posted by RockyMtn800 [+]
Note: ē An accurate indication of the level of oil in the engine is only shown when the engine is at normal operating temperature

I wish it indicated correctly when cold
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Derchef1962 on August 14, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
I wish it indicated correctly when cold

don't think you can: Oil expands when it gets hot for one thing cold oil tends to cling to certain parts of the engine so not all oil will run back in to the oil sump. Oil needs to be warm to checked.

My Tiger has now about 72,000 kms on the clock, my oilcheck is dead simple. When I stop for fuel or something I put the bike on the centre stand, let the oil settle (typically that's the time I need to fill up and pay), check the level end of story. If I am totally anal about it I will level the bike on centre stand by putting a piece of wood under the front wheel but in most cases I do not bother.

Very easy in fact compared with my bobber where the oil glass is so tiny and so hiden it's a nightmare to check oil level.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Rtwo on August 14, 2019, 05:11:25 PM
*Originally Posted by ZenDog [+]
Yep, that is another way, but you don't have any oil at hand (other than buying some) to top up if desperately needed.

If you check it after you've fuel up each time, it won't have changed much in the last 200 miles so could just wait till you get home
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: troubleshooter on October 20, 2019, 10:14:13 AM
Given the idiosyncrasies of checking the oil level, how do you make sure you don't overfill initially when doing an oil and filter change? Put in less than the spec to start with?
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: ColinXCX on October 20, 2019, 10:38:34 AM
 :0461: :460:
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Djairouks on October 20, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Coming from the Africa twin, without the oil sight-glass down Under and with one of these removable oil gauge scale, from which I could never actually read the oil levelÖ I am very happy to be back to simple sight-glass, Always works !
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Paulhere on October 20, 2019, 06:31:39 PM
*Originally Posted by troubleshooter [+]
Given the idiosyncrasies of checking the oil level, how do you make sure you don't overfill initially when doing an oil and filter change? Put in less than the spec to start with?

That's about what I do, about 1/4L less, run it for 5 mins, then top up to level.

Check on c/stand, block of wood under front wheel to level up, lean over the seat with small mirror & torch to check the level. No kneeling on the floor, fekdat.
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Bladerunner99 on October 21, 2019, 11:28:33 AM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
That's about what I do, about 1/4L less, run it for 5 mins, then top up to level.

Check on c/stand, block of wood under front wheel to level up, lean over the seat with small mirror & torch to check the level. No kneeling on the floor, fekdat.

+1, except  I can still kneel down to view sight glass :001:
Title: Re: Oil level
Post by: Paulhere on October 21, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
*Originally Posted by Bladerunner99 [+]
+1, except  I can still kneel down to view sight glass :001:

Ok for you m8, I got highsided, didn't fly well, bad landing, split Tibia plateau in two.