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Title: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Nickw_uk on October 20, 2019, 11:13:06 PM
I have just bought a Tiger 800 XRT and taken it to France. Love the bike generally but finding the seat a pain in the a**e.  Just painful for a full days riding, my wife feels the same and she has more padding than me  :001:.

So my choices are:
1) Get the standard, heated seat modified.
2) Buy an additional seat for long runs which is not necessarily heated.

For the additional seat I have discounted the Triumph offering. The others are Touratech (about £625) or Sargent (£525).

Has anyone got any advice (apart from man up and don't be a wuss  :003:) or experience of the above?

Many thanks.

Nick

Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Mav on October 20, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
I have the Triumph comfort seat on my XRx and it doesn't cause me any discomfort.

What is your T800 variant?
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Mav on October 20, 2019, 11:24:51 PM
Sorry just noticed you have the XRt which should have the comfort seat  :003:
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Nickw_uk on October 20, 2019, 11:25:57 PM
Not sure if it is quite the same because this one is heated?
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: pahiker on October 20, 2019, 11:46:52 PM
Sargent seats have a great reputation. I have one on my Suzuki DR650 and it's a huge improvement over the stock hemorrhoid manufacturing device.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Oldbear on October 21, 2019, 01:47:59 AM
I think Iíd try one of the sheepskin pads or an air hawk pad first before replacing the $$ (££) seat.   My 18XRT has proven pretty decent for me up to 400+ miles/day.   I used a sheepskin on other bikes/longer rides with good results.  Pads are a nice relatively cheap aid UNLESS you need them all the time (ie the seat is killing you after even a short ride).   If long trips are only issue they are the (cheap) way to go
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: SpursSteve on October 21, 2019, 07:28:12 AM
I bought my XRT in August and although I was coping better that my wife I was still suffering badly! I came from a BMW Rt so an armchair!

I tried Airhawk and it was better for me but for Julie it was so bad that I think biking came very close to a solo effort! I bit the bullet and got a Sargent from Adventure Bike Shop. Although it feels very firm it is amazingly comfortable. I'm told it takes 1500 to 2000 miles to fully bed in but straight out of the box it's excellent. I went for the heated version and must say that Julie loves it. She says better than the BM for warmth.

I've not done loads of miles yet but we have done a couple of 2 hour stints without stopping. Original seat for Julie was maybe 25 mins before my ears bled too much!

Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: mcinlb on October 21, 2019, 08:31:03 AM
I've always been a fan of Sargent seats, got a pair on my XRX, needs the pillion also. Great for distance work, wider and a more ergonomic shape. Had Sargent on my last two bikes, expensive , yes, but you always get about 50 / 60% back on resale...
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Lopez on October 21, 2019, 08:34:34 AM
There are a couple of guys here, in Spain, that put gel+visco while keeping the heating seat. They can even make a seat heated. It's about 150Ä (both seats).

Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: geordielad on October 21, 2019, 08:37:31 AM
No personal experience of these, but I have read some very good reports of them on the Tiger 800 riders forum:
http://www.sussexmotorcycles.com/elite-comfort-motorcycle-seats.html (http://www.sussexmotorcycles.com/elite-comfort-motorcycle-seats.html)
They will even fit heating elements for you - Worth a call I think before spending a small fortune on the other options.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: philmcglass on October 21, 2019, 11:19:39 AM
I would consider Airhawk.
Also have XRX with comfort seat.
On recent bimble round the west coast on day 2 first 3 hours (Fort william to Muir of Ord) was agony.
I had an airhawk in my topbox so at mid-day I started using it and it made a difference for the Muir of Ord to John O'Groats leg.
Kept it on the next day for the trip from JO'G to Edinburgh and all was well.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: sprint on October 21, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
*Originally Posted by geordielad [+]
No personal experience of these, but I have read some very good reports of them on the Tiger 800 riders forum:
http://www.sussexmotorcycles.com/elite-comfort-motorcycle-seats.html (http://www.sussexmotorcycles.com/elite-comfort-motorcycle-seats.html)
They will even fit heating elements for you - Worth a call I think before spending a small fortune on the other options.

I and several of my riding friends, though not all on Tigers, have taken (they are only around 30 miles from us) our seats to them for modification.

I too have and 18 XRt with the heated seat and found it very uncomfortable after 1/2 to 3/4 hrs of riding. Modifying the original heated seat can be a bit of a problem because of the heating element. So I picked up a good as new one via the forum or you can go to e-bay, and had that one modified to give a more flatter surface to sit on. They use memory foam to replace the sections cut out which is softer. Since the modifications I can sit on the seat for 2 to 3 hours now.

Everybody is different and clearly I can't guarantee that you would find the same benefits if you had your seat modified by them, but the 4 people, including myself, who have had seats modified have been pleasantly surprised and are now happy.   
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Paulhere on October 21, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
Do other people find it different on different days? I've had numb bum within an hour on some days & on others no problem, did 600 miles one day in August going to Sweden, came home form Ullapool 450 miles with just 2 fuel stops &  last year Loch Lomond to home 260 miles with just one fuel stop. Comfort seat not heated. I go for a ride a week after & need get off after 50 miles. Mebbe it's when we aint riding every day, our bum muscles get soft eh.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: chunk on October 21, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
I bought my 2011 800 roadie in May this year, and have never ridden anything as comfy in all my 40+ years in the saddle.
I've not really had that many opportunities to get away for a proper ride on it, but i did manage to get to Leeds and back from my home near Cambridge, a total of 380 miles with 1 fuel stop, and i felt like i could have done it all again the following day...
I have never been able to do that on any of my old bikes, the last time i did the same journey - on a 1200 Bandit i was in agony.
I'd be very interested to try a comfort seat to see what the difference is...
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Djairouks on October 21, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
Seats are like tires very personal things, to me my XRT heating seat is the most comfortable seat ever, on par with my Fazer 8 but I Don't ride the Fazer for days though.

On my Africa twin the seat was awfull and I made it better then also Added the good old sheep skin, it improved it but honestly not to the current seat butt delight I have.

I would still warn people to maybe check their pants and undies, because I have a pant that was fine on the Honda, but much less on the Tiger, also some undies Don't do it because seems the pressure points land on the seams and it's pretty bad then.
Sometimes it's easier to improve pants because the seats can't be much, so a thing to think about, like on my Honda I tried wearing cycling undies with some plush butt cushion, didn't make any differenc the pants were the issue on this particular saddle..
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Nickw_uk on October 21, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
Many thanks all for your input. We did hire a 2012 800 in New Zealand in 2014 and rode it for 1700 miles without any problem so I presume it is because of the heated / new style seat.

Either way, I think there is a good chance I will go for the Sargent seat, because of the short time that our bums start to go numb!
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: GaryH on October 21, 2019, 10:59:44 PM
Buying a Sargent Seat was the absolute number 1 best mod I done to my Tiger. I have never had an uncomfortable day on the bike since and have done a couple of 800+ mile days. Money well spent.

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/7686AACE-9077-4377-81E9-05BE5BDCC57A.jpg)
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Nickw_uk on October 21, 2019, 11:01:37 PM
That certainly looks good!
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: GaryH on October 21, 2019, 11:07:46 PM
Yes it's a premium quality seat, I love them, I have one on my Suzuki too.

It's actually up for sale (along with the rest of the Tiger) soon.

If you don't find one maybe I can sell you mine. Let me know.... there's no rush for me to sell at this moment.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: philmcglass on October 22, 2019, 05:45:32 PM
*Originally Posted by GaryH [+]
Buying a Sargent Seat was the absolute number 1 best mod I done to my Tiger. I have never had an uncomfortable day on the bike since and have done a couple of 800+ mile days. Money well spent.


Would it be possible to have a look at your seat?
Near Straiton.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: GaryH on October 22, 2019, 09:51:03 PM
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/AA9D043A-2D48-4FDE-BEB3-CACAEC946D19.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/3C5B1C9F-D910-44E0-965B-F84B034A3A48.jpg)
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: GaryH on October 22, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/E6B67557-B1D3-464C-A95C-F767AE76B662.jpg)
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Oldbear on October 23, 2019, 03:53:40 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Do other people find it different on different days? I've had numb bum within an hour on some days & on others no problem, did 600 miles one day in August going to Sweden, came home form Ullapool 450 miles with just 2 fuel stops &  last year Loch Lomond to home 260 miles with just one fuel stop. Comfort seat not heated. I go for a ride a week after & need get off after 50 miles. Mebbe it's when we aint riding every day, our bum muscles get soft eh.
Yeah, I think youíre right.  Some days I can ride all day, some days a couple hours and the butt aches... (or maybe Iím just getting old😏)
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Maviso on October 26, 2019, 04:01:13 PM
My second hand VStrom came with a Sargent which was my intro. Getting rid of my "bag 'o nails" the XRX came with "comfort seat" which for me was anything but. Bought the Sargent and sold the as new XRX original on here for most of what I paid for the Sargent. Bliss for my bum & my wallet. :015:
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: HansTiger800 on October 26, 2019, 05:12:19 PM
Nice seat!

Any riders using a Touretech seat??  i am in doubt between Sargent / Touratech.

https://shop.touratech.nl/comfort-seat-rider-driride-for-triumph-tiger-800-800xc-800xcx-breathable-standard.html

cheers
JJB
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Nickw_uk on October 26, 2019, 05:16:23 PM
I have just bought a Sargent one, so we will see how it goes  :001:

It is interesting though, how many people aren't impressed with the Tiger seat.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: applecorp on October 26, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
When I first bought my Tiger I found the seat a little uncomfortable after a while but now it gives me no issues now my arse has adapted.   :001:
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Nickw_uk on October 26, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
Maybe I am on the wrong tack buying another seat, body modification is the way to go!  :001:
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Tiggerton on October 26, 2019, 06:01:19 PM
Could ride 200 mile with the comfort seat (xrx) without distress.

Can manage about 125 mile with the (xrt) heated seat.

Regards
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: jeffa on October 26, 2019, 06:05:52 PM
I have a Touratech seat it is Fab. I have a well padded rear myself but found the standard heated seat on my XRT unbearable after 200 miles.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: HansTiger800 on October 26, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
Thanks for your answer!  do you have the normal or the dry DriRide version ?
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: jeffa on October 27, 2019, 10:27:23 AM
Mine is normal  :001:
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: SteveTT800XRT on October 27, 2019, 01:32:12 PM
*Originally Posted by GaryH [+]
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/AA9D043A-2D48-4FDE-BEB3-CACAEC946D19.jpg)
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/3C5B1C9F-D910-44E0-965B-F84B034A3A48.jpg)

That is one nice saddle :152: :152:
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: philmcglass on October 27, 2019, 02:28:04 PM
 What is it that makes Sargent seats more comfortable?
Are they firmer than OEM?
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: GaryH on October 27, 2019, 07:55:10 PM
*Originally Posted by philmcglass [+]
What is it that makes Sargent seats more comfortable?
Are they firmer than OEM?

It's the foam they use.... it's much firmer than the soft stuff that's fitted in OEM seats.

OEM seats feel nice on your arse for a few minutes as you sit on them in a showroom, after hours and hours of riding they compress and then it's game over (for me anyway) I'm in agony.

Never had a complaint with any of my 3 Sargent Seats... I think they are money well spent.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: ColinXCX on October 27, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
After about half an hour the Tiger starts to get uncomfortable, my Ducati Supersport MY17 has the most comfortable seat Iíve ever had, can ride hours without saddle issues. Feeling both seats, there doesnít seem to be much difference in firmness. The shape and cover material is different so that must be the answer.
Title: Re: Seat and my Sore Bum
Post by: Djairouks on October 28, 2019, 07:46:33 AM
The stitching of, boxers, thermal layers and pants (pockets or not) all impact saddle comfort too and you have a very complicated task deciding what will be good for you.

Compared to my Honda, I would ride 3h and my butt got sore with any pants but some pants I couldn't last even 1h, then you get off the bike some minutes seams good, ride again and in 10 minutes it was the same, my butt ached.
With the heating seat of the triumph, I need to find the good position depending on different pants, I've ridden 3h without much sores or pains and if really I felt something, stand on the pegs for a bit and then I can ride for another 3 hours basically, so I'm lucky.

I would really advise people to test seats and with the pants/layers you're most likely to travel with, because on my Honda and earlier bikes I did use saddles from other famous makers like Sargent, Bagster, Briant and a pro saddler near my city, none ever did miracles with some pants they just were never comfortable !