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Title: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: JJM on November 12, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
Clutch gone after 10,000 miles, seems a bit premature, it's an xrx road so no off roading, I do ride with a pillion a fair bit but wouldn't have thought it would affect it massively. Never had this issue with any other bike I've owned , in fact I had a 2016 tiger previously and that had 22000 on the clock before I sold it and never even had to adjust the clutch. Spoke to triumph in Watford and they said they would need to strip down to investigate to see if it was warranty issue or not. Call me a fortune teller but I think I know which way itís going to go. Anyone else had similar issues with such low miles?
Thanks advance
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Paulhere on November 12, 2019, 05:38:14 PM
Just on 11k & never had to adjust the cable Ö.yet.

Has the cable maintained its 2-3mm of slack or have you had to keep adjusting it? I take it the clutch is slipping?
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: JJM on November 12, 2019, 06:31:58 PM
Clutch first slipped a couple of months ago when I was o a skills riding course doing slow tight turns using clutch and rear brake, noticed clutch was slipping and had to stop and adjust cable at clutch housing end, was ok for another 4 or 5 rides and then noticed it was slipping again under acceleration, adjustment again so ok at the moment but no more adjustment left so canít risk using
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Paulhere on November 12, 2019, 06:36:24 PM
No more adjustment left at either end?

I wonder if the problem is in the cable. Mind, what you've been doing isn't kind to a clutch.
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Zaphod on November 12, 2019, 07:38:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Mind, what you've been doing isn't kind to a clutch.

A days slow riding course should be no issue. I've done several, and put the technique into use in every day riding regularly. Not had an issue with my clutch yet (42k miles). A guy I know teaches said slow riding technique, on his own bike, and hasn't had an issue.
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Stevie.P on November 12, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
*Originally Posted by JJM [+]
Ö adjustment again so ok at the moment but no more adjustment left so canít risk using

If you haven't touched the bottom (clutch end) adjuster then I would wind the clutch lever adjuster fully into the lever housing and then back it out approx. 2 full turns, then go to the clutch end of the cable, undo both locknuts (away from each other) to their limits and then move the cable outer to the right to eliminate all the slack. Hopefully the slack is eliminated before hitting the LH locknut, then holding outer with slack eliminated wind both lock nuts back against the bracket and tighten. Now go back to the handlebar adjuster and make the fine adjustment necessary to set the 2-3mm free play. I did this early on as I don't like the clutch lever end adjuster being out more than a few turns and it put the lower end locknut pretty much on the limit of thread almost touching the little rubber boot. I don't recall adjusting my clutch lever more than 2 or 3 times in 21k and 75% of that was city commuting with lots of clutch use.

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Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Paulhere on November 12, 2019, 08:11:52 PM
*Originally Posted by Zaphod [+]
A days slow riding course should be no issue. I've done several, and put the technique into use in every day riding regularly. Not had an issue with my clutch yet (42k miles). A guy I know teaches said slow riding technique, on his own bike, and hasn't had an issue.

So what do you consider to be the cause? Let's try to be positive. Only Aliens get blamed for things happening for no reason.

Best way of burning a clutch out I've heard of. But then it might be as I suggested earlier, a problem with the cable.
 
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: AvgBear on November 12, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
*Originally Posted by JJM [+]
...but no more adjustment left...
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
No more adjustment left at either end?
What he ^^^ asked.
Are both cable adjusters (top & bottom) screwed all the way in?
And is there free-play at either lever?
I think the dealer's service shop may be correct? -- they may need to remove the clutch cover & inspect?
(that, in itself, shouldn't be too expensive)
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: JJM on November 12, 2019, 11:22:48 PM
Bottom adjusted more of less all the way in, top adjuster probably two thirds in.
Seen video of clutch replacement and doesn't look too complicated, does anyone know if the 2018 clutch plates are the same as previous models?
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Djairouks on November 13, 2019, 09:41:58 AM
I do clutchless shifting most of the time since last year, but before no clutch needed replacing and my longer use was 34'000Km, so yes it shouldn't go after 10'000 miles, also only track bikes show faster cultch wear, because of the high speed forces the clutches need to endure, not really by doing slow riding, I commute everyday and in the cities do a lot of clutch slipping with rear brake not to put the feet down, I've never Fu**** a clutch in my life and that's how the moto schools teach people to ride.

If the clutch basket is still good and you only have problems with the friction plates, this is a pretty easy job to do, it's removing oil and side casing, the 3 or 4 screws with springs holding the plates, putting new plates in correct order, closing, putting new oil et voilŗ, you only need to watch the torque on the clutch screws, that's it !
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Bladerunner99 on November 13, 2019, 11:27:12 AM
What oil have you got in the bike?
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: phil_tiger800 on February 12, 2020, 05:21:05 PM
*Originally Posted by JJM [+]
Clutch gone after 10,000 miles, seems a bit premature, it's an xrx road so no off roading, I do ride with a pillion a fair bit but wouldn't have thought it would affect it massively. Never had this issue with any other bike I've owned , in fact I had a 2016 tiger previously and that had 22000 on the clock before I sold it and never even had to adjust the clutch. Spoke to triumph in Watford and they said they would need to strip down to investigate to see if it was warranty issue or not. Call me a fortune teller but I think I know which way itís going to go. Anyone else had similar issues with such low miles?
Thanks advance

Hi
My Tiger was three years old when the clutch over heated so badly the basket warped with the heat. I was on the Stella Alpina rally in northern Italy at the time. Pete Clarke, senior warranty co-ordinater at Triumph thought it may have been poor adjustment, poor quality engine oil or lack of servicing. As my service history was complete and the bike was seen by the main dealer two months before the failure, this did not satisfy me.
I have never had a clutch fail like that in over 40 years of riding. Triumph are not interested in any problems outside warranty in my experience. The clutch is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE. Pete Clarke ....... get your facts right and take a real interest in the concerns of your customers 😊
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: JJM on February 12, 2020, 06:27:02 PM
Totally agree, Triumph quoted £850 to replace the clutch as they said the engine needs pushing forward (undoing engine bolts) to get to one of the bolts as the frame from 2017 has been modified.  Where the sections of frame were welded directly together there is now a piece of larger diameter tubing that the two pieces of frame sit in, this is welded making for a stronger join presumably, I ended up using third party garage using original parts, also had 12000 mile service  (valve check) all for £960 and they did it without pushing engine forward. Totally lost faith with Triumph I'm afraid
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: phil_tiger800 on February 14, 2020, 10:24:25 AM
*Originally Posted by JJM [+]
Totally agree, Triumph quoted £850 to replace the clutch as they said the engine needs pushing forward (undoing engine bolts) to get to one of the bolts as the frame from 2017 has been modified.  Where the sections of frame were welded directly together there is now a piece of larger diameter tubing that the two pieces of frame sit in, this is welded making for a stronger join presumably, I ended up using third party garage using original parts, also had 12000 mile service  (valve check) all for £960 and they did it without pushing engine forward. Totally lost faith with Triumph I'm afraid

Sorry to hear that. Even when the bike is still under warranty I have had issues with Triumph. My ECU failed on a Daytona 955i and I had to pay to have the bike recovered to my nearest Triumph dealer. The dealer agreed to pay half of the recovery costs. Triumph refused saying I should of renewed my RAC membership in the second year of ownership. The fact their ECU failed seems to have passed them by!!
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Djairouks on February 14, 2020, 10:29:56 AM
*Originally Posted by phil_tiger800 [+]
Sorry to hear that. Even when the bike is still under warranty I have had issues with Triumph. My ECU failed on a Daytona 955i and I had to pay to have the bike recovered to my nearest Triumph dealer. The dealer agreed to pay half of the recovery costs. Triumph refused saying I should of renewed my RAC membership in the second year of ownership. The fact their ECU failed seems to have passed them by!!

I empathize with your issues, but what motorcycle brand will tow your motorcycle for free, even if the repairs will be under warranty, at least in my country this is never going to happen.
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Zaphod on February 14, 2020, 10:55:16 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
I empathize with your issues, but what motorcycle brand will tow your motorcycle for free, even if the repairs will be under warranty, at least in my country this is never going to happen.

Nor in the UK - if you haven't got breakdown cover then you're going to have to pay the recovery guy. And it won't be cheap.
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Stevie.P on February 14, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
I think it depends on your dealer as I certainly had my bike recovered while under the 12 month warranty but also recovered again at about 20 months, both times with failed Datatool alarm (3rd now fitted) and both times (stuck out and about) they immediately sent their man and van out to recover the bike back to the dealership and no mention of charges either time. :028:
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: KildareMan on February 14, 2020, 12:03:37 PM
*Originally Posted by phil_tiger800 [+]
Sorry to hear that. Even when the bike is still under warranty I have had issues with Triumph. My ECU failed on a Daytona 955i and I had to pay to have the bike recovered to my nearest Triumph dealer. The dealer agreed to pay half of the recovery costs. Triumph refused saying I should of renewed my RAC membership in the second year of ownership. The fact their ECU failed seems to have passed them by!!

Never heard of a manufacturer coving recovery as part of a warranty. Just not their problem. - statutory or otherwise.
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Zaphod on February 14, 2020, 12:11:19 PM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
I think it depends on your dealer as I certainly had my bike recovered while under the 12 month warranty but also recovered again at about 20 months, both times with failed Datatool alarm (3rd now fitted) and both times (stuck out and about) they immediately sent their man and van out to recover the bike back to the dealership and no mention of charges either time. :028:

Guessing that you were not far away from the dealer when the failures occurred? In the first 12,you would have had the recovery anyway, so they'd have told you to use that if a long way.

They can do what they like, to keep a customer happy - but if you'd been in Scotland they wouldn't have done it, I bet!
Title: Re: Worn clutch on a 2018 with 10,000 miles
Post by: Stevie.P on February 14, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
*Originally Posted by Zaphod [+]
Guessing that you were not far away from the dealer when the failures occurred?

Yes Ö only about 9 or 10 miles from dealer (opposite side of the city) on both occasions but still pleased that as their van and man wasn't out on another task they despatched him to me straight away while I stayed with the bike.