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Title: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
New Tiger 900 Rally and GT gets launched tonight at 7pm (GMT), stay tuned......   :038:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Darsey on December 03, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
Patiently waiting to see what this new tiger is like and of how much it will cost
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 03, 2019, 02:43:15 PM
Can't wait.   :047:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: kokkios on December 03, 2019, 04:27:47 PM
Anyone knows if there will be a live link available?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Rtwo on December 03, 2019, 04:32:51 PM
I imagine it'll be on the Triumph Motorcycles Youtube channel

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: T120R on December 03, 2019, 04:42:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/officialtriumph/?fbclid=IwAR0rxBIGpNNiPToH1l7_ybv93JTg0ATocouDRrpElzU7gxC354omMuCaOUA
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 07:03:52 PM
Press document attached (it was embargoed till 7pm)

Images to follow...
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 07:08:46 PM
Pics are coming, I'll slowly add them as I get them  :028:

Also see:

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure/tiger-900

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Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: T800XC on December 03, 2019, 07:09:31 PM
Spot the deliberate mistake... :138:

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/media-library/images/motorcycles/adventure-touring/2020%20tiger%20900/tiger-900-rally-pro-detail-20my-az4i0740-ab-1-rally-tyres-stepcarousel_1410x793.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 03, 2019, 07:22:23 PM
Looks ok, dinky little headlights are weirdly disproportionate. Mirrors look like they've gone back in time.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 07:29:32 PM
Rally version (other colours are available):

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger-900-RALLY-MY20-heat-seat-1410x793.jpg)

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(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger-900-RALLY-MY20-tank-1410x793.jpg)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger-900-RALLY-MY20-led-1410x793.jpg)

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(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/tiger-900-rally-pro-detail-20MY-AZ4I0708-AB-1.jpg)

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Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 03, 2019, 07:32:14 PM
To me it looks too similar to the new 2020 Vstroms, pretty ugly unfortunately !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: northeast loon on December 03, 2019, 07:33:23 PM
I will be keeping my 2011 roadie me thinks  :017:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: kokkios on December 03, 2019, 07:34:22 PM
Especially the Rally version gives me a KLR feeling
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 07:35:35 PM
GT Pro:


(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger-900-GT-PRO-MY20_Korosi-Red_FQu.png)

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Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 03, 2019, 07:37:59 PM
Only a 4Kg decrease on the GT pro from XRT, I knew these 10Kg anounced were really optimistic, I'm still happy tp have bought the 800 !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 03, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 03, 2019, 07:42:02 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
Only a 4Kg decrease on the GT pro from XRT, I knew these 10Kg anounced were really optimistic, I'm still happy tp have bought the 800 !

"Significantly" lighter they said, I don't think so, especially when you factor in a larger 20 litre tank.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 03, 2019, 07:46:13 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
"Significantly" lighter they said, I don't think so, especially when you factor in a larger 20 litre tank.

It's mostly the rear frame in aluminum now, the rear handles and carrier in plastic and not metal, also new lighter swingarm.
As I said in other post, it's unlikely the engine itself get's lighter with increased torque and CC.

Looks a bit oversold to me at least for the GT Pro, the difference isn't crazy.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 03, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
Hmm, in the video I posted above TMF is quoting the dry weights of the bikes as follows.

Standard: 192kg, GT: 194kg and Rally at 196kg.

That's actually a lot lighter than current models which are around 208kg dry.   :027:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Hmm, in the video I posted above TMF is quoting the dry weights of the bikes as follows.

Standard: 192kg, GT: 194kg and Rally at 196kg.

That's actually a lot lighter than current models which are around 208kg dry.   :027:

Those weights come from the spec table in the press release.

See bottom of table in pdf attached  :038:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 03, 2019, 07:56:00 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Hmm, in the video I posted above TMF is quoting the dry weights of the bikes as follows.

Standard: 192kg, GT: 194kg and Rally at 196kg.

That's actually a lot lighter than current models which are around 208kg dry.   :027:

XRT dry is 202  and GT Pro is 198, be carefull about the spec cheats, I'm comparing on the website each specs.

Also eactly what I predicted, 10% increase in CC and "surprise" 10% increase in their consumption figure...
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 07:59:53 PM
........and "surprise" 10% increase in their consumption figure...

Welcome to Euro 5  :001: :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 03, 2019, 08:03:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
XRT dry is 202  and GT Pro is 198, be carefull about the spec cheats, I'm comparing on the website each specs.

Also eactly what I predicted, 10% increase in CC and "surprise" 10% increase in their consumption figure...

My bad, it's the XCA that's 208kg.

Good news, my bike is 6kg lighter than I thought it was.   :047: :417:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 03, 2019, 08:09:42 PM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
Welcome to Euro 5  :001: :001:

But on their website if you look in detail, I really Don't understand the point of Euro5, the Euro 4 800 is said to make 107gr/Km of Co2 but the Euro 5 900 makes 119gr/Km, so also a 10% increase !?

Weren't these supposed to pollute less, that seems rather dumb !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 03, 2019, 08:16:56 PM
Good overview. Obviously from the press kit but easy to read.

https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/triumph-unveils-lighter-more-powerful-tiger-900-for-2020/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 03, 2019, 08:38:11 PM
Hmmm, Re ^^^

Lighter engine:
The new 900cc engine is lighter yet pumps out 10% more torque and delivers more power across the entire rev range.

Lighter frame:
Lighter, All-New Chassis
Now between 10 and 20 pounds lighter than the previous generation depending on the model


Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 03, 2019, 08:39:07 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
Good overview. Obviously from the press kit but easy to read.

https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/triumph-unveils-lighter-more-powerful-tiger-900-for-2020/

There's only one logical falacy in their assessment, "Long-distance travel has been improved", the consumption is up 10% and you only get 1 more liter of fuel, so technically the mileage is lower than and on the 800, journalists…

Ouhhh call me old fashioned but I just saw GT Pro has electronic rear suspension, I stay away from these as much as possible !

I think the Rally will be a great update for offroaders, the GT, in my opinion is good but I think they oversold it with the wait.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on December 03, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
I won't be buying one any time soon, but eventually I'd like a GT Pro. Hopefully in time there will be some more interesting colours too.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on December 03, 2019, 09:00:55 PM
Any guesses on pricing for the GT and Rally if the base model is £9,500? £12k-£14k perhaps?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 03, 2019, 09:06:57 PM
A bit of help, perhaps translating into Merkun.

What I see on the spec sheets is that the 800 and 900 both make 79Kw and the 900 is up on torque by 8Nn. The peak RPM are different.

Irrespective of the verbiage in press releases and hyperbole, I expected the power number for the 900 to be 10% greater than the 800 number.

Speaking Merkun English, the 800 makes 95hp; I expected to see the 900 making 100hp. As ever, I reserve the right to be wrong.

I am new to the Triumph scene, so bear with me if I am missing something obvious.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 03, 2019, 09:43:18 PM
But on their website if you look in detail, I really Don't understand the point of Euro5, the Euro 4 800 is said to make 107gr/Km of Co2 but the Euro 5 900 makes 119gr/Km, so also a 10% increase !?

Weren't these supposed to pollute less, that seems rather dumb !

Motorcycles don't have a CO2 limit under Euro 5.

Euro 5 concentrates on reduced Carbon Monoxide, Hydrocarbons, and Nitrogen oxides levels, plus a newly introduced particulate matter limit. Importantly, bikes have to be compliant with the Euro 5 requirements over it's lifetime, which is why OBD2 (on-board diagnostic system) was added.

Will be interesting down the road when engines start to wear out.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 03, 2019, 09:50:50 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
Speaking Merkun English, the 800 makes 95hp; I expected to see the 900 making 100hp. As ever, I reserve the right to be wrong.

From what I can see the 900 makes the same peak hp as the 800 but more torque. Apparently there is more power available than the 800 in the lower rev range. I guess the validity of the press release statement will be tested on a dyno by somebody eventually.
I'm really surprised about the 95hp figure. For marketing reasons to keep up with the competition if for no other I expected a claimed 100+ hp.
Of course I may be wrong I only speak Kiwi and 'stralian (with a kiwi accent).  :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 03, 2019, 09:57:24 PM
Why on earth does anybody need dual tachometers on one display?

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Navigation-Tray-1410x793.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 03, 2019, 10:01:07 PM
I think we're on the same page in having expected to see a 100hp figure, no matter whether we speak 'stralian, Queen's, or Merkun English.

Perhaps Boris has made off with our expected ponies and will be returning them soon.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 03, 2019, 10:09:30 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
Why on earth does anybody need dual tachometers on one display?

Based on some of the press gibberish, I'd not be surprised to see three.

credit to advpulse:

"...all-new higher performance 900cc engine has a unique 1, 3, 2 firing order for greater character and feel. The result is more feedback from the engine to the rider, an incredibly distinctive engine sound..."

Coming from a background where the firing order is either 1,1,1 or 1,2,1,2 I am a bit perplexed at this firing order thing. My first thought is that the crank journals would be 120 degrees apart and that they would be fired in a manner that creates the greatest balance and power delivery, but perhaps there's more to it. ;^)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 03, 2019, 11:13:03 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
...but perhaps there's more to it.
No doubt.
The way I see it -- it's, pretty much, a new engine: larger cylinder bores (same stroke), slightly higher comp. ratio, and different firing order.
All are set to offer a different engine experience from the old 800.
And, probably more power delivered differently?
The new firing order could be the result of going from the 120*, cross-plane, even-firing, firing order to something-like the old Laverda Jota used -- 180*, flat-plane, crank throws which give (something-like) 4 cyl. minus one running.
(or, it could be something even different?)

The interesting spec. I see:
"FRONT TIRE:   STD/GT 100/90-19"
What do Triumph know (that many on this forum don't)?

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 03, 2019, 11:53:51 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
The interesting spec. I see:
"FRONT TIRE:   STD/GT 100/90-19"
What do Triumph know (that many on this forum don't)?

I'm sure that they are cheaper for Triumph to buy as OEM tyres than 110/80 x 19 radials.
Cross ply tyres also have better resistance to sidewall punctures than radials so I guess for a bike advertised by the manufacturer as being suitable to ride on all roads (sealed and unsealed) there is an argument to fit tyres with better resistance to the sort of punctures that night occur on unsealed roads. I can't say that I have ever had a sidewall puncture on any bike that I have owned anyway and the Tiger comes with a radial rear so perhaps the cost argument is actually the more relevant one as it invariably is with Triumph.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 04, 2019, 01:42:10 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
I'm sure that they are cheaper for Triumph to buy as OEM tyres than 110/80 x 19 radials.
Cheaper tires -- really?
On a bike costing so many thousands of $$$?
Especially when Triumph, generally & significantly, overhauled / redesigned the existing 800 with, what seems to be, a 'cost be damned' approach.  :187:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 04, 2019, 05:09:10 AM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Cheaper tires -- really?

Every cent makes a difference as far as the bean counters are concerned.
Almost every manufacturer goes cheap on OEM tyres because they know that tyres for motorcyclists are often a very personal and in a lot of cases will be swapped over before the bike even leaves the showroom. From what I can see Triumph have persisted with their Pirelli relationship.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 05:46:59 AM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
Motorcycles don't have a CO2 limit under Euro 5.

Euro 5 concentrates on reduced Carbon Monoxide, Hydrocarbons, and Nitrogen oxides levels, plus a newly introduced particulate matter limit. Importantly, bikes have to be compliant with the Euro 5 requirements over it's lifetime, which is why OBD2 (on-board diagnostic system) was added.

Will be interesting down the road when engines start to wear out.

So still more co2 and you burn 10% more fuel over the life of the bike... I know Nox is very bad, but at some point there's a diminishing return in producing more fuel because everyone uses 10% more, I find this really stupid, but I'm no state administrator  :027:.

What's even more puzzling to me is their claim of more power overall the range, if I calculate with torque and rpm figures that they gave, at 8050rpm the 800 makes 63.1hp and the 900 at 7250rpm makes 62.6hp, okay well at least at Max torque it's not the case, if you make the same max hp, means you moved the band in rpm, the gain they claim is rather unlikely to be really matter.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 07:09:14 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
So still more co2 and you burn 10% more fuel over the life of the bike... I know Nox is very bad, but at some point there's a diminishing return in producing more fuel because everyone uses 10% more, I find this really stupid, but I'm no state administrator  :027:.

What's even more puzzling to me is their claim of more power overall the range, if I calculate with torque and rpm figures that they gave, at 8050rpm the 800 makes 63.1hp and the 900 at 7250rpm makes 62.6hp, okay well at least at Max torque it's not the case, if you make the same max hp, means you moved the band in rpm, the gain they claim is rather unlikely to be really matter.

Sorry wasn't good before coffee this morning :138:, actually the 800 does 89.3hp and the 900 does 88.6hp, yeah that's closer to 95, but still wondering about their "overall the range".
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Derchef1962 on December 04, 2019, 09:22:07 AM
I am really disapointed by the engine, everybody else is now above the 100 hp when it comes to a midrange adventure bike, what's the point in this? Even the triple is no longer a unique thing look at the Yamaha MT-09 and its tracer variants. I expected something like 105 to 100 hp. Yes more torque maybe better perfomance in lower revs but does that sell bikes in the current market environement.... I doubt that.

correct first sentence: the BMW F 850 GS is exactly at 95 hp and we all know the Tiger 800 was designed to rival the Beamer, so they stick to that rule.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 04, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
*Originally Posted by Derchef1962 [+]
I am really disapointed by the engine, everybody else is now above the 100 hp when it comes to a midrange adventure bike, what's the point in this? Even the triple is no longer a unique thing look at the Yamaha MT-09 and its tracer variants. I expected something like 105 to 100 hp. Yes more torque maybe better perfomance in lower revs but does that sell bikes in the current market environement.... I doubt that.

correct first sentence: the BMW F 850 GS is exactly at 95 hp and we all know the Tiger 800 was designed to rival the Beamer, so they stick to that rule.

The 95ps could be to do with our 47bhp learner law. To boost it for sales, they'd need to match the MT09's 113bhp while keeping a base model at 95ps.

Have to wait for one of the monthly mags to give us the torque curve, not much use just showing an extra 10% at 100mph +, what is it at 4k rpm.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on December 04, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
Why on earth does anybody need dual tachometers on one display?

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Navigation-Tray-1410x793.jpg)

Don't know.  Looks fecking stupid.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Lopez on December 04, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
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Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on December 04, 2019, 11:41:38 AM
I see that the GT Pro, the replacement for the XRT, comes with a centre stand. I wonder if it's still as impossible to use the stand on the GTP as it is on the XRT which I have.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on December 04, 2019, 11:46:32 AM
*Originally Posted by Phurtim [+]
I see that the GT Pro, the replacement for the XRT, comes with a centre stand. I wonder if it's still as impossible to use the stand on the GTP as it is on the XRT which I have.

There’s a technique to it. It’s not great, but it’s not impossible.

The side stand on the 900 looks considerably different, with a distinct curve - I guess we’ll have to wait until next year to find out if there are any changes to the centre stand.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on December 04, 2019, 11:59:18 AM
Well it's impossible for me. I'm 5'8" and 11 stone. And I'm hardly the only one, it's a very common problem with a lengthy thread devoted to it on this forum. The only way I found out recently to get the XRT up, for me, is by pushing the back wheel on to a bit of wood about 18mm thick and then, just about, I can manage it but still with quite a  struggle. A tip I read about on the forum thread. That's okay at home but out somewhere, it means I can never use the CS unless I carry an appropriate lump of wood all the time!

And I know what I'm doing, know the correct technique, having had loads of bikes over loads of years. Last bike was a much heavier BMW 1200GS and that was no difficulty getting on the stand.

So I hope they've solved the problem with the GTP but I wouldn't bet on it. We'll see once it's in the dealers.

Incidentally I love the XRT, this is the only weak point for me. The GTP looks even better with the quickshifter etc.

Much better in my opinion than the TMF review is Motobob.

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He is more knowledgeable and goes into greater and more interesting detail.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Derchef1962 on December 04, 2019, 12:06:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
The 95ps could be to do with our 47bhp learner law. To boost it for sales, they'd need to match the MT09's 113bhp while keeping a base model at 95ps.

that sounds interesting in order to cut it down to 48 PS it must not have more than 95 PS unrestricted... so lets wait and see
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Darsey on December 04, 2019, 12:09:36 PM
Are there any suggestions to what the price is going to be
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Lopez on December 04, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
*Originally Posted by Darsey [+]
Are there any suggestions to what the price is going to be

Spain: Tiger 900 (the "basic") 11300. Current model starts from 11000

It's the only one priced: https://www.triumphmotorcycles.es/bikes/adventure/tiger-900 (scroll down for more info)

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on December 04, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
Hopefully the GT Pro and Rally Pro will remain under £13k.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 01:19:37 PM
To me the biggest point of change on the 900 and what makes me really question whether it is a good idea from Triumph, is the firing order going from 1-2-3 to 1-3-2, effectively now doing the same as Yamaha with the Tracer 900, they also say it gives more of a Vtwin feel down low and the powerband was lowered.

But people bought Triumphs for this specific triple feel, so don't know if this is such a smart move, to copy this and do it like others, when you were the different kid on the block for years !?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: walt on December 04, 2019, 01:38:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
To me the biggest point of change on the 900 and what makes me really question whether it is a good idea from Triumph, is the firing order going from 1-2-3 to 1-3-2, effectively now doing the same as Yamaha with the Tracer 900, they also say it gives more of a Vtwin feel down low.

But people bought Triumphs for this specific triple feel, so don't know if this is such a smart move, to copy this and do it like others, when you were the different kid on the block for years !?


i had the Tracer 900 before my 18 XR, it didnt feel anything like a V twin, it was very similar to the Tiger, very free revving and surprisingly torquey  ....which is exactly why i love triple engines   :002:

for my use if the new one has better throttle response at low revs and taller 6th gear i'd have one, those 2 issues seriously let the 2018 model down for me
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 01:44:55 PM
*Originally Posted by walt [+]

i had the Tracer 900 before my 18 XR, it didnt feel anything like a V twin, it was very similar to the Tiger, very free revving and surprisingly torquey  ....which is exactly why i love triple engines   :002:

for my use if the new one has better throttle response at low revs and taller 6th gear i'd have one, those 2 issues seriously let the 2018 model down for me

I owned a 2014 Mt-09 (Euro3) and honnestly the engine was much more like a Vtwin, than the Tiger, The Triumph is much smoother than the Yamaha to me, that's why I question this change.
Maybe yours a later Euro4 and would feel a bit different in Engine response !

With Euro 5 and the tendency to run engines lean low down, I doubt the difference will be dramatic, I'm really questioning now the point of buying new bikes, that will use more fuel and always be tuned towards being lean down the curve.
I'm only biker since 10 years so I only owned bikes from Euro3, but my Yamaha Fazer 8 being Euro3 I felt a clear difference against my Africa twin Euro4, the tiger is surprisingly okay being Euro4, but I'll be doing some "tweeks"  :156: !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: 1284rider on December 04, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
To me the biggest point of change on the 900 and what makes me really question whether it is a good idea from Triumph, is the firing order going from 1-2-3 to 1-3-2, effectively now doing the same as Yamaha with the Tracer 900, they also say it gives more of a Vtwin feel down low and the powerband was lowered.


I'm not sure I understand this point about the firing order?  There are only two possible firing orders on a triple:  1-2-3 (left cylinder to right cylinder), or 3-2-1 (right cylinder to left cylinder).  Assuming the crank angles had the same 240 degrees between power strokes for both engines, you wouldn't notice any difference between the two firing orders.  Neither option would make it feel like a V twin, unless the crank angles were changed to be unequal perhaps.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 03:53:46 PM
*Originally Posted by 1284rider [+]
I'm not sure I understand this point about the firing order?  There are only two possible firing orders on a triple:  1-2-3 (left cylinder to right cylinder), or 3-2-1 (right cylinder to left cylinder).  Assuming the crank angles had the same 240 degrees between power strokes for both engines, you wouldn't notice any difference between the two firing orders.  Neither option would make it feel like a V twin, unless the crank angles were changed to be unequal perhaps.

Honestly I also am puzzled, because to me though I'm no automotive expert, changing the cylinder firing order should not make much of a difference, maybe slight parasitic vibrations, against changing the ingnition angle at which cylinders are fired.

So their Vtwin claim would be that they changed the ignition angle, but this as well has me puzzled because apparently the Daytona engine, from which the 800 is directly derived, allready fires the cylinders every 120°, then Nothing in 360° and repeat while the Tracer 900 fires every 240° in the 720° interval, so I would expect that the closer firing order of 120° give a more urgent feel like the 90° firing of Vtwins, rather than a 240° firing.

Overall I a bit lost in Triumphs claims  :112: or the infos I found are false and the engine of the 800 fires every 240° and they went to 120° on the 900, so much disinformation sometimes who can be certain !

Sorry for the engine theory  :087:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: walt on December 04, 2019, 04:22:54 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
I owned a 2014 Mt-09 (Euro3) and honnestly the engine was much more like a Vtwin, than the Tiger, The Triumph is much smoother than the Yamaha to me, that's why I question this change.
Maybe yours a later Euro4 and would feel a bit different in Engine response !

With Euro 5 and the tendency to run engines lean low down, I doubt the difference will be dramatic, I'm really questioning now the point of buying new bikes, that will use more fuel and always be tuned towards being lean down the curve.
I'm only biker since 10 years so I only owned bikes from Euro3, but my Yamaha Fazer 8 being Euro3 I felt a clear difference against my Africa twin Euro4, the tiger is surprisingly okay being Euro4, but I'll be doing some "tweeks"  :156: !


last new Triumph i bought came from the Meriden factory in the 70's. :015:...although fuel injection has brought many advantages, it can also bring out the worst in an engine too....but yes environmental restrictions don't make things easier
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
...Sorry for the engine theory  :087:

No, no, don't be! I think this is something to be discussed. It certainly has me scratching my head, and I don't say that because I considered my self an expert. I consider myself simply confused.

It would seem to me that the crank must be configured as the 800 crank is with the rod journals at every 120 degrees. That is, it is a normal three-cylinder crank. I take that as a given but reserve the right to be wrong.

It would also seem that it would be nuts to do anything other than fire every 240 degrees. Now, can't firing order be anything you want it to be, ie 1-2-3, 3-2-1, 1-3-2? But, if you are firing every 240 degrees, what does it matter what the firing order is? A power pulse every 240 degrees is just that, and quite even and smooth.

Or, and this is the stuff that makes my head explode, have they set it up to fire something like (speaking in terms of firing degrees) 0-480-120 or, to your example, every 120 and then nothing? That would be lumpy and V-twin like, but the benefit is lost on me. That wouldn't seem to contribute to a free-revving engine, but might be quite good on torque at lower RPMs.

Please know that I come from a background where the firing order is "1".
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Rtwo on December 04, 2019, 04:44:53 PM
Maybe it's a 'big bang' motor?  :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 04:46:31 PM
With Barenaked Ladies? (not sure you'll get that reference...)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 04, 2019, 04:54:27 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
Or, and this is the stuff that makes my head explode, have they set it up to fire something like (speaking in terms of firing degrees) 0-480-120 or, to your example, every 120 and then nothing? That would be lumpy and V-twin like, but the benefit is lost on me. That wouldn't seem to contribute to a free-revving engine, but might be quite good on torque at lower RPM .
Or, (with different crank journal offset than T800) 0-180-240?
And T900 makes similar power at fewer revs and has a different, "raspy", exhaust note.

*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
Maybe it's a 'big bang' motor?
Precisely.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
The big bang would be going back to the 675's configuration, right?

Interesting idea, the 0-180-240 crank. That certainly makes the 900 much more than just a stroked 800 with a firing order change.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: 1284rider on December 04, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
Now, can't firing order be anything you want it to be, ie 1-2-3, 3-2-1, 1-3-2?

As I said previously, there are only two possible firing orders with a triple.  These are 1-2-3 and 3-2-1.  1-3-2 as you mention is referred to as 3-2-1.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 05:12:28 PM
Hmm, that seems odd.

I should think that the cylinders would be, from left to right as sitting on the bike, 1, 2, and 3.

A firing order of 1-2-3 would be a sequential firing from left to right, while 3-2-1 would be sequential from right to left.

1-3-2 would be an out-of-order firing of the left cylinder, then the right cylinder, then the middle cylinder.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 05:12:41 PM
But actually if on a 4 stroke 720 revolution, the 3 ignition take 240° I think this qualifies as Big Bang, because the V 90° or L 270° are called Big Bang and there's 90° between 2 ignitions.

Again I'm not so sure why having the triple smoothness and reviness characteristics, you'd want to mimic a V twin, defeats the whole experience and reputation of the Triumph triple.

But definitely now I'm wondering if one could play with the ECU and change the ignition to have fun  :125:.

Usually it's either 123 or 132, 321 was never used but I still Don't see why mechanically this would effect the torque delivery as opposed to ignition angles !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: 1284rider on December 04, 2019, 05:15:34 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
Hmm, that seems odd.

I should think that the cylinders would be, from left to right as sitting on the bike, 1, 2, and 3.

A firing order of 1-2-3 would be a sequential firing from left to right, while 3-2-1 would be sequential from right to left.

1-3-2 would be an out-of-order firing of the left cylinder, then the right cylinder, then the middle cylinder.

So, if the firing order was 1-3-2, what would be the next cylinder to fire after that?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 05:18:23 PM
Bazinga!

Thank you.

Face palm.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: bucksfizz on December 04, 2019, 06:01:27 PM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
Maybe it's a 'big bang' motor?  :001:

Apparently, according to Stewart Wood, the crank pins are set at 90°, so you are quite right.
This gives a 180°, then a 270° and another 270° firing pulse.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 06:22:53 PM
As one who is seriously considering the Tiger as a replacement for his R1200RT, I feel a bit like the native looking at a Coke bottle. The gods must be crazy here.

Do I want to buy this engine? I like the rest of the bike and would consider a 2020, but is this technology tried and true at Triumph or are they breaking some new ground?

I can easily go the safe route and buy an '18 or '19, but there is a lot to like about the new bike.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 04, 2019, 06:26:01 PM
Nowt new.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Straight-three_engine
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 06:32:56 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
As one who is seriously considering the Tiger as a replacement for his R1200RT, I feel a bit like the native looking at a Coke bottle. The gods must be crazy here.

Do I want to buy this engine? I like the rest of the bike and would consider a 2020, but is this technology tried and true at Triumph or are they breaking some new ground?

I can easily go the safe route and buy an '18 or '19, but there is a lot to like about the new bike.

This is my first Triumph so can't speak for the brand, but the 2times I bought first year production bikes, a mt-09 and the Africa twin, both had some pretty big flaws, the last one almost killed me on the highway, so that's why I passed on the 900, until they'll have solved the first year issues.

Then even if the more torque, the IMU and new engine is interesting, to me better mileage is more interesting and the 800 from triumph's numbers is better in this sector.

So it's up to you to know your needs, if you're traveling like me, it's too much of a gamble to get new tech, if it's just a weekend fun toy then might be worth it.

But everyone has different needs !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
I know that the triple is not new, it goes back quite a ways. What I am wondering about is the configuration of the 900 engine. Apparently it has a crank with 90-degree crankpin angles and is a big bang engine.

I believe I understand that the 675 was similarly a sort of big bang, but with 120-degree crankpin angles.

Have Triumph done this 90-degree big bang thing before, or is it all new to them?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 06:44:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
...2times I bought first year production bikes...the last one almost killed me on the highway...

I have the same trepidation about a first-year model, but would have less if this engine configuration is not something brand-new to Triumph. It seems that most of the other stuff is not truly new or groundbreaking, though I'd do more research before buying a 2020.

I deliberately bought my R1200RT towards the end of the run before the wasser-boxer, thinking that it would be well sorted. It has tried to kill me a couple of times due to kill switch failure at speed and in heavy traffic. The switch block recall has fixed that.

I will have a KLR forever. It is the cockroach of motorcycles. It always works and always survives. A second bike can be a bit more exciting in nature. But not scary.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 06:49:44 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
I have the same trepidation about a first-year model, but would have less if this engine configuration is not something brand-new to Triumph. It seems that most of the other stuff is not truly new or groundbreaking, though I'd do more research before buying a 2020.

I deliberately bought my R1200RT towards the end of the run before the wasser-boxer, thinking that it would be well sorted. It has tried to kill me a couple of times due to kill switch failure at speed and in heavy traffic. The switch block recall has fixed that.

I will have a KLR forever. It is the cockroach of motorcycles. It always works and always survives. A second bike can be a bit more exciting in nature. But not scary.

Yeah I stay away from BMWs too many horror stories, but looking at Daytona cranks pictures to me they all look 120° spaced, so I would say if this 900 is 90° then it's a totally new design.

I would also be careful about the electronic rear suspension on high models, I've seen these go on BMWs or Ducatis, really not fun maybe I got paranoid  :156:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 04, 2019, 06:58:20 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
I know that the triple is not new, it goes back quite a ways. What I am wondering about is the configuration of the 900 engine. Apparently it has a crank with 90-degree crankpin angles and is a big bang engine.

I believe I understand that the 675 was similarly a sort of big bang, but with 120-degree crankpin angles.

Have Triumph done this 90-degree big bang thing before, or is it all new to them?

Try this one then, same thing 1,3,2 firing order.

http://www.autolatest.com/auto-editorial/all-about-inline-3-cylinder-engines

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Try this one then, same thing 1,3,2 firing order.

http://www.autolatest.com/auto-editorial/all-about-inline-3-cylinder-engines

That's not his concern, it was established by another poster that, crank spacing isn't 120° but 90, which means it's a completely new engine architecture for triumph, not just a up bored engine and likely will need troubleshooting.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 04, 2019, 07:34:25 PM
I was talking to souperdoo    :151:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 07:47:13 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
I was talking to souperdoo    :151:

I know dude, we have been talking about this for a while with Souperdoo and you missed some of the facts, we were addressing.

But whatever I'll stop talking to you period I think since you Don't care, have a good evening !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 08:19:26 PM
Paulhere,
Thank you for that link, it provides much food for thought.

To recap a little, my original confusion started with a quote from advpulse where it was stated that the firing order was 1-3-2. This seemed an odd thing to say, as I had heard that the 900 was an 800 a bit stroked and expected at 120-degree crankpin-angle crank. Thus, there had to be something more.

bucksfizz offered this:
*Originally Posted by bucksfizz [+]
Apparently, according to Stewart Wood, the crank pins are set at 90°, so you are quite right.
This gives a 180°, then a 270° and another 270° firing pulse.

which was a bit of a clue-drop falling on my head. I interpret his statement as, if crankpin #1 is seen as zero, then #2 is at 90 and #3 is at 180. 1 and 3 are in the same plane while 2 is normal to them. This is a bit different than the Mercedes, which has two crankpins in one plane and the third in another, normal to the other two.

I don't think well in circles, so I need to go find some paper to muddle through this.

Thanks to Djairouks, Paulhere, bucksfizz, 1284rider and AvgBear for enlightenment and discussion.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 04, 2019, 08:42:15 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
Paulhere,
Thank you for that link, it provides much food for thought.

To recap a little, my original confusion started with a quote from advpulse where it was stated that the firing order was 1-3-2. This seemed an odd thing to say, as I had heard that the 900 was an 800 a bit stroked and expected at 120-degree crankpin angle crank. Thus, there had to be something more.

bucksfizz offered this:
which was a bit of a clue-drop falling on my head. I interpret his statement as, if crankpin #1 is seen as zero, then #2 is at 90 and #3 is at 180. 1 and 3 are in the same plane while 2 is normal to them. This is a bit different than the Mercedes, which has two crankpins in one plane and the third in another, normal to the other two.

I don't think well in circles, so I need to go find some paper to muddle through this.

Thanks to Djairouks, Paulhere, bucksfizz, 1284rider and AvgBear for enlightenment and discussion.

Yes that's right, the piston goes up compressing the air making 180° and basically that's when ignition starts, they never say 0°, so then with crankcase physically at 90° intervals, ignition of 2nd cylinder is 270°, then I guess 3rd one at 360°, or 540° which then makes it closer to 1st detonation at 180° from it, rather than 360° who knows exactly that is an interesting thought !

Don't worry it's not Always easy  to think in 4 strokes  :008:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: RaglandT on December 04, 2019, 09:17:50 PM
Best description of the new firing order I have seen yet: 

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger_crank.png)

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-triumph-tiger-900-gt-and-rally-first-look (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-triumph-tiger-900-gt-and-rally-first-look)

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiggerton on December 04, 2019, 09:20:15 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
Why on earth does anybody need dual tachometers on one display?

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Navigation-Tray-1410x793.jpg)

This feature is going to increase my insurance premium because my nearside eye is much weaker than my offside eye!!
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 04, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
*Originally Posted by RaglandT [+]
Best description of the new firing order I have seen yet...

Well found, sir! Well found indeed! Thanks very much for that.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 05, 2019, 12:23:47 AM
Power and torque curve charts for those who are interested  :038:

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger_900_power_chart.png)

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger_900_torque_chart.png)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: TigerBC on December 05, 2019, 02:48:11 AM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
With Barenaked Ladies? (not sure you'll get that reference...)

I'll speak up for Canadians and admit that I get that reference...   :)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 05:39:23 AM
*Originally Posted by RaglandT [+]
Best description of the new firing order I have seen yet: 

(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Tiger_crank.png)

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-triumph-tiger-900-gt-and-rally-first-look (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-triumph-tiger-900-gt-and-rally-first-look)

That's a very interesting choice indeed, trying to mimic a big bang twin, but something really escapes me there.

Take the 800 curve, since the crank angles are 120°, change the ignition timing in the ECU, to 120, 240, 480 and basically you get a similar effect, torque would even be higher between the 2 first ignitions, because overlap would be 60° so mean torque also higher.
The Daytona with 120,240,360 ignition made 95% of the 800's torque, being only 84 % of the cc of the 800.

They wouldn't have needed to go to 900cc and most likely not use that much more fuel, even with down tuning for Euro5 again I'm no engine expert but it seems a bit underwhelming, to extract only 8Nm with all these changes.
Surely the motorcycle will be good and capable, well finished in the triumph ethos, but I'm a bit puzzled that they didn't extract 15% more torque with such tech.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 05, 2019, 05:46:29 AM
I see that the power socket beside the ignition key has been deleted.
The seat release lock now appears to be on the left side underneath the riders seat with some models at least having a single power socket there beside it much like the original XRX and XRT models had.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 05:48:19 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
I see that the power socket beside the ignition key has been deleted.
The seat release lock now appears to be on the left side underneath the riders seat with some models at least having a single power socket there beside it much like the original XRX and XRT models had.

Also note the passenger heating seat controls same side under rear passenger seat.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 05, 2019, 06:02:39 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
Also note the passenger heating seat controls same side under rear passenger seat.

Yes Triumph are selling that as a plus in that the passenger can adjust their own temperature settings.
There is also a USB socket and a phone holder under the seat. I guess that is where the dash mounted socket has gone.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 05, 2019, 06:05:46 AM
"Other updates to the 900’s engine are a new airbox that allows for easier access to the air filter"

Hallelujah. There is a god after all.

I say that in the hope that Triumphs version of "easier" equates roughly to an owners version and not to "Instead of an hour to change the air filter it will now only take 55 minutes"
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 06:14:44 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
"Other updates to the 900’s engine are a new airbox that allows for easier access to the air filter"

Hallelujah. There is a god after all.

I say that in the hope that Triumphs version of "easier" equates roughly to an owners version and not to "Instead of an hour to change the air filter it will now only take 55 minutes"

That's what I call a good dose of optimism  :007:, honestly coming from the Africa Twin, it was just as bad and there where 2 filters...

What about this thing, I saw that watching some videos :https://dualsportdude.com/uni-prefilter-upgrade-for-triumph-tiger/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 05, 2019, 06:33:11 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
What about this thing, I saw that watching some videos :https://dualsportdude.com/uni-prefilter-upgrade-for-triumph-tiger/

https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,18478.0.html
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 06:51:28 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,18478.0.html

Woops thanks mate ! Might be getting one.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Rtwo on December 05, 2019, 06:55:24 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
"Other updates to the 900’s engine are a new airbox that allows for easier access to the air filter"

Hallelujah. There is a god after all.

I say that in the hope that Triumphs version of "easier" equates roughly to an owners version and not to "Instead of an hour to change the air filter it will now only take 55 minutes"
Nah, the size of the air box needed these days and the expectation of a relatively large fuel tank makes it a long job
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 05, 2019, 07:52:02 AM
*Originally Posted by Rtwo [+]
Nah, the size of the air box needed these days and the expectation of a relatively large fuel tank makes it a long job

It is not the size per se but the positioning and access that really matters. Let’s say for arguments sake that they had changed the filter so it is effectively like a drawer that simply slides into a housing from under the back of the tank without having to lift the tank. The size would then not be as issue.
The fuel tank size appears to have been increased but replacing the plastic side strips with the actual tank.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 07:58:21 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
It is not the size per se but the positioning and access that really matters. Let’s say for arguments sake that they had changed the filter so it is effectively like a drawer that simply slides into a housing from under the back of the tank without having to lift the tank. The size would then not be as issue.
The fuel tank size appears to have been increased but replacing the plastic side strips with the actual tank.

From an engineering standpoint, that would be what I would try doing a drawer kind of filter, on my Honda they did this for the battery, you opened a plastic flap cover on the side, disconnected leads and pull the tray in which the battery was contained, pretty conveniant !

Can't remember the brand but i saw in a video of EICMA, a new chinese motorcycle for dirt, with basically a pop cover on top containing the air filter.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Northern on December 05, 2019, 01:15:45 PM
Comments from Triumph
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 05, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
I see that the power socket beside the ignition key has been deleted.
The seat release lock now appears to be on the left side underneath the riders seat with some models at least having a single power socket there beside it much like the original XRX and XRT models had.

Photo of the aforementioned socket on the GT Pro:

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.tiger900.com/tiger-900-gt-pro-detail-20MY-AZ4I0322-AB-1.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 05, 2019, 03:48:21 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
... something really escapes me there.
I'm no engine expert but it seems a bit underwhelming, to extract only 8Nm with all these changes.
I'm a bit puzzled that they didn't extract 15% more torque with such tech.
I think Triumph's engineers may've been going for quality of power delivery -- not (just) quantity?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 05, 2019, 03:51:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Northern [+]
Comments from Triumph

Thanks for posting the vid Northern, well it had to add up to 720 in multiples of 90, that was obvious. Sounds like they've sort of gone along with the twins which gave better torque for the change from 360 to 270.

I wonder how they've produced the throws. The twins were forged in line then heat twisted to give the 270° throw. I didn't enquire why they did it that way, it works just fine.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 04:02:23 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
I think Triumph's engineers may've been going for quality of power delivery -- not (just) quantity?

If they had gone full big bang so 180, 270, 360, according to my calculations with a 888cc and the increase from each bang it should make 98Nm, overall the rpm range increase, so going 2/3 big bang it should make more than just 10% more, so they likely have sacrificed torque to lower the rpm range as well.

And for off-roaders it makes sense, I'm sure the rally will be a beast, for the GT, I'm more skeptical it's just as my dealership guy told me, the new one will be geared more towards off road, because this firing order might make it less flexible in city riding especially with lowered rpm range.

Again I'm no expert, but it's just a bit like if BMW's next GS was a twin but tuned like a 4 cylinder, to rev and scream, they are known for the twin response, why change this.
That's what puzzles me with the 900 triple "wanting to be a twin"
Especially with the big twin scrambler, it's a weird marketing choice to me.

I must be the only one not liking the sound of the 900 :188:, reminds me of my Africa twin, with this uneven sound...
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 05, 2019, 04:30:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
I'm sure the rally will be a beast, for the GT, I'm more skeptical
The torquey-er triple and lower revs may please those T800 owners who had installed larger front sprockets in order to keep the revs down at higher speeds? The new T900 engine may be quite friendly toward higher gearing?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 05, 2019, 04:36:44 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
The torquey-er triple and lower revs may please those T800 owners who had installed larger front sprockets in order to keep the revs down at higher speeds? The new T900 engine may be quite friendly toward higher gearing?

Yes of course, well I see no issue with 6th gear on the highway, but I guess coming from a big twin, I might be skewed about it.

If you gear up kind of defeats the purpose to me, allready doing 10% more consumption, but that's also maybe only me doing long distance that cares about that.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on December 05, 2019, 04:44:22 PM
If anyone is interested the Tiger 900 Photos Gallery is now open.

Currently it has 267 hi-resolution images, over 2.5 GB of files !  :152:

You can view them here:

https://photos.tiger900.com/

 :031:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: T800XC on December 05, 2019, 05:34:25 PM
I see there are 2 different LED indicator types, one of which appears to be sequential...

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.tiger900.com/tiger-900-gt-pro-acc-detail-20MY-AZ4I0807-AB-1.jpg)


Then there's also the incandescent version for certain markets.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 05, 2019, 05:38:25 PM
Any mention of a higher 6th gear?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 05, 2019, 05:56:28 PM
Statham from 44 Teeth chats to the chief engineer about its tech.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: walt on December 05, 2019, 06:30:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
Any mention of a higher 6th gear?


ive not seen any mention so far.....keeping fingers crossed, all those high falutin changes, please, just 1 ratio change...... :002:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 05, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
Gotta say, the white framed version looks bloody gorgeous.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 05, 2019, 07:06:25 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Gotta say, the white framed version looks bloody gorgeous.

Funny ya say that, I had a test ride on the 2011 model, it was the light coloured frame paint that killed it ...for me. I was riding along looking at a lump of light grey conduit holding the instruments to the headstock. So I didn't buy one, that put me right off. Didn't bother me with the black paint when I got the '16 model.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 06, 2019, 11:07:25 AM
To get back on track & cut through some of the bluff & blunder, let Matt from the workshop utube channel put it into layman talk for the non Engineering types.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: prenticemarie on December 06, 2019, 12:42:39 PM
Announced by Triumph this week in the MCN the new Tiger 900 has a new firing order which makes it sound like a TWIN .... Well Tiger 900 is not for me then, as I love the Triple sound ... Discuss ...  :187:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Rtwo on December 06, 2019, 01:20:29 PM
There's already a lengthy discussion on the New 2020 Tiger thread


Admin note:  The previous post and this one have been merged into the main 900 topic.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: kempy on December 06, 2019, 01:36:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
To get back on track & cut through some of the bluff & blunder, let Matt from the workshop utube channel put it into layman talk for the non Engineering types.

/>

 :493:

Cheers for posting this, Very informative for me as a mechanical numpy and also very entertaining he loves a good swear!  :008:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 06, 2019, 01:44:26 PM
*Originally Posted by kempy [+]
:493:

Cheers for posting this, Very informative for me as a mechanical numpy and also very entertaining he loves a good swear!  :008:

What's great about him, is he talks practical things, unlike many YouTubers who pretend to know and talk from their asses.

But now he has me wondering if our ECU could be altered to go 120, 240, 360 like the Daytona  :125:, but most likely the crankshaft wasn't designed for that.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: HansTiger800 on December 06, 2019, 01:59:57 PM
Tyre rotates backwards.....
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 06, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
*Originally Posted by prenticemarie [+]
Announced by Triumph this week in the MCN the new Tiger 900 has a new firing order which makes it sound like a TWIN .... Well Tiger 900 is not for me then, as I love the Triple sound ... Discuss ...  :187:

Feel the same way and I watched multiple videos of it's sound, it's like a Ducati monster... Funny one journalist said the same. I didn't intended to switch as my bike is about 2 months old, but it's a bit like if the new Africa twin sounded and made torque like a 4 cylinder, why going away from their DNA that makes the triples so special, pretty weird marketing decision.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Elmer J Fudd on December 06, 2019, 06:21:04 PM
*Originally Posted by prenticemarie [+]
Announced by Triumph this week in the MCN the new Tiger 900 has a new firing order which makes it sound like a TWIN .... Well Tiger 900 is not for me then, as I love the Triple sound ... Discuss ...  :187:

Ok, but that's a bit like saying that you would only ever buy a blue bike and never buy another unless it was blue, no matter how good, capable or value for money it was.

Yes, sound can be emotive, but surely the riding experience of handling, ergonomics and tractability outweigh sound?

You could always just play a loop of triple whirring through a headset.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 06, 2019, 10:14:33 PM
I've searched around looking for an answer to this to no avail.

Regarding the frame and the luggage; a two-part question.

The frame is "different", that we know. The aft section is now a subframe and the pillion peg struts are removable. What I am curious about is whether or not the points at which luggage attaches are the same. Given that the pillion peg struts are different (and seemingly a different cross-section and perhaps aluminium) there could well be an issue there, but is there any chance that the existing luggage racks will fit?

Still in the vein of luggage, I have looked at the pictures of the luggage on the tiger900 photos page but there is no dead-aft shot. The luggage does look to be less asymmetrical than the old OEM rack and bags were but I cannot be sure. I also can't judge if it is overly-wide, either. The exhaust looks to be much narrower, so there is hope. Does anyone have any insight into the new luggage?

At issue is whether or not the OEM luggage is going to be lop-sided and an ax handle and a plug of tobacco wide and the wait for narrow and symmetrical aftermarket racks quite lengthy.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 06, 2019, 10:33:08 PM
This is the best that I have found. At first glance, luggage placement doesn't seem hideous.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:img.drivemag.net/media/default/0002/02/tiger-900-rally-pro-acc-20MY-AZ4I1220-AB-1-7444.jpeg)
Photo from Drive Mag Riders @ https://riders.drivemag.com/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 07, 2019, 03:49:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
And for off-roaders it makes sense, I'm sure the rally will be a beast, for the GT, I'm more skeptical it's just as my dealership guy told me, the new one will be geared more towards off road, because this firing order might make it less flexible in city riding especially with lowered rpm range.
Some context: When Yamaha changed the 1000cc inline-4's crank from flat-plane to cross-plane for more torque and mid-range, VR46's crew chief (Jeremy Burgess) said said that, ultimately, high horsepower is used very few places: primarily down a long straight, whilst more torque and mid range are used all around the track - especially accelerating out of corners.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: pugwash on December 07, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
Re luggage:

The accessory Trekker luggage pack comprises a 52l top box and panniers giving 79l. That would suggest they comprise 33 and 46 boxes so probably is slightly lop sided.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 07, 2019, 05:06:59 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Some context: When Yamaha changed the 1000cc inline-4's crank from flat-plane to cross-plane for more torque and mid-range, VR46's crew chief (Jeremy Burgess) said said that, ultimately, high horsepower is used very few places: primarily down a long straight, whilst more torque and mid range are used all around the track - especially accelerating out of corners.

Well on my Africa twin, the traction control would be on a lot, so to me about 80Nm for a 200ish Kg bike is perfectly fine, I do not need to see the TC flash all the time, I prefer a manageable torque like on my 82Nm yami, but that wasn't the point of my post.

I'll explain where I'm coming from maybe this will make more sense, so in march 2017 I bought my Africa twin, to travel long distances comfortably and at the time the roughness of the twin was fun to me.
After a while seeing the mileage I put on it and the astronomical cost of valve checks at Honda Switzerland, I decided to buy a second bike to split the mileage, that's when a found a completely untouched 2014 Fazer 8 which I had owned previously in 2010.
After riding more than 10'000Km on the yami inline four and about 15'000Km on the twin this year, before the Honda went haywire, I started to realize the twin with it's more ON/OFF throttle was wearing me down on daily commutes and I prefered my yami especially that it revs almost twice as high as the Honda.
The twin is fun in mountain passes, but otherwhise it would be much less physical on something else too, so when trying new bikes last september, I wanted lighter of course but the triple made a lot of sense, because it does everything fine in between a twin and a 4I, that's it's innerent strength.

This why I find it weird to market a triple engine and make it sound and rev more like a twin, especially with the Triple's reputation and trademark sound if you could say, this was the point I was trying to explain, feel free to disagree.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 07, 2019, 05:09:38 PM
*Originally Posted by pugwash [+]
Re luggage:

The accessory Trekker luggage pack comprises a 52l top box and panniers giving 79l. That would suggest they comprise 33 and 46 boxes so probably is slightly lop sided.

That's a great selling point for the touring folk amongst us. I went for Trax to get the 37/45 & Givi for the 52L Trekker topbox. That fits all my camping kit inside for a Euro tour inc a comfy stand up tent.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 07, 2019, 05:10:56 PM
Different capacity R vs L is OK if it is what achieves symmetry. What is important to me is that the right-side pannier not stick out, from the centerline, further than the left side does. Further, I don't want symmetry achieved by letting the left side stick out so far that the bags are symmetrical, but the whole package is extremely wide.

I am used to panniers that are slightly narrower than the handlebars.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 07, 2019, 05:13:07 PM
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.tiger900.com/tiger-900-rally-pro-acc-detail-20MY-AZ4I1062-AB-1.md.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.tiger900.com/tiger-900-rally-pro-acc-detail-20MY-AZ4I1048-AB-1.md.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 07, 2019, 05:13:47 PM
For a top box, I will use my well-worn Chase Harper Alaska bag. It holds my entire camp and cinches down to next to nothing for rides away from camp.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 07, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
AvgBear, those are the photos I was referring to. Were they dead-aft on they would answer the question. As they are, they give only hints due to the slightly angled perspective. It looks like the left pannier is smaller, but it is hard to gauge how much. They look pretty symetrical, but one can't be sure.

The only really known dimension is the licence plate. If the shot were dead-aft it would be easy to figure out, within a cm, how wide they are. With the 3/4ish view that isn't possible.

One wonders if the absence of a dead-aft shot is to keep us from saying "Oh, my God, Becky, look at her butt. It's soo big..."
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 07, 2019, 05:31:46 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
I am used to panniers that are slightly narrower than the handlebars.

The only Triumph of 5, I've been so lucky with, was my ST955i, all the others have been well outside the mirror lines, the Tiger Sport was the worst at 1100mm across the back, they're in the loft, replaced with Trax 'cos they're like an inside out Tardis, fit nowt in them. The ST1050 had stupid wide panniers that wouldn't fit a helmet or sleeping bag, they went in the loft until I sold the bike, replaced with a pair of Givi e36.
The ST955i panniers were brilliant, what happened to the boy who designed those. Oh hang on, didn't Givi design them?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 07, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.tiger900.com/tiger-900-rally-pro-acc-detail-20MY-AZ4I1062-AB-1.md.jpg)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:images.tiger900.com/tiger-900-rally-pro-acc-detail-20MY-AZ4I1048-AB-1.md.jpg)

The panniers in those pics look same size with the rhs one stuck out to accommodate the exhaust. Likely just used the old panniers for the pics.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 07, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
I did a crude analysis of those photos based on the width of the license plate. I get about 97-98 cm. The bars on the GT Pro are 93cm.

Based on that and the head-on photo, the OEM luggage might not be terribly horrible and depressing. I have never found a need for a total pannier capacity much over 55l. Should they offer smaller panniers than those shown, the OEM could be quite good (for my needs).

Understandably, all of my whining and scratching myself raw over this Tiger 900 OEM luggage probably seems odd, but I'm balancing what could be a good deal on a leftover '18/'19 XRX and Bumot or Holan luggage versus waiting a bit and getting a Tiger 900 and likely settling for OEM luggage.

I'm off to a couple of dealers on Monday to look at '18/'19 and don't expect them to know much about the Tiger 900 beyond "it's sparkly and shiny".

It would be rather nice if I didn't like what I see in the 900 as a total package.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 07, 2019, 08:35:41 PM
Doesn't the 800 now come with free luggage as norm at end of line.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 07, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
Yes, they do.

If this was a new BMW we were discussing I'd be much more informed, but I know next to nothing about Triumph; I have no good frames of reference to operate from. I know that I'm ready to move on from the R1200RT and I like the Tiger 800 very much.

With that as some background, this is what I believe the Triumph OEM (free with purchase) looks like, courtesy of forum member 'nobsta'"
(https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1926.0;attach=16401;image)

It is badly asymmetrical, too wide, and the panniers are much larger than I need. This is an older photo; if Triumph have since slimmed things down and made a much more symmetrical setup, I'd be keen to know.

I am more interested along these lines (photo from Holan), with the smaller 30l panniers (believe these to be 44l):
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:holan.pl/10521/pro-pannier-system-for-triumph-tiger-with-nomada-expedition-panniers.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: felix on December 07, 2019, 10:34:33 PM
Whilst i do like the looks...the paper spec does not really inspire.....  I did expect "more".

Will happily take one for a test ride as we all know paper doesnt tell the whole story.. but think I would take some persuading to px for what I have.

Perhaps i will wait to see what KTM do 890 adventure wise...

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 08, 2019, 06:01:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
The panniers in those pics look same size with the rhs one stuck out to accommodate the exhaust.
Likely just used the old panniers for the pics.
Maybe?, here's more info:
"More baggage options than Madonna." There are two new luggage ranges created in partnership with Givi – the Trekker side-opening panniers with 52-liter twin helmet top box, and the Expedition top-opening panniers, with matching 42-liter top box.
Plus two new inspiration kits delivering a complete packages of accessories for each style.
Trekker side-opening (maybe narrower o/a?):
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:www.motorcycle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/tiger-900-gt-pro-acc-detail-20MY-AZ4I0839-AB-1.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: T800XC on December 08, 2019, 06:23:07 PM
The Trekker option has a standard Givi 33L on the right and a 46L on the left, re-badged as Triumph.

More here...
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure/tiger-900/tiger-900-accessories
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: souperdoo on December 08, 2019, 06:24:01 PM
What the jump the hell up and down is an "inspiration kit"?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Dandy on December 08, 2019, 08:08:46 PM
Well I for one like the looks and spec of the new 900

As I only bought a new 800 earlier this year it will not be on my shopping list for a while yet

In my opinion if it is an improvement on my current model it will be some bike.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 08, 2019, 09:39:35 PM
*Originally Posted by souperdoo [+]
What the jump the hell up and down is an "inspiration kit"?

Triumph have taken a hint from their German auto manufacturer cousins.  If you want part A for your new vehicle the only way to get part A is to buy kit Z that includes parts A, F, J and Y the later three that you don't actually want or need.
Whilst Triumph have not gone this far yet (you can still buy individual parts) I can see this on the horizon with their new found love for accessory "kits".
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Bladerunner99 on December 09, 2019, 10:36:30 AM
Dying to find out if those tubeless wheels will fit my 2018 XCA.  :300:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 09, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
*Originally Posted by Bladerunner99 [+]
Dying to find out if those tubeless wheels will fit my 2018 XCA.  :300:

Or like many Africa twin owners from which I was, convert the wheel to tubeless, it's cheaper.

https://www.bartfactory.com/products/bartubeless-en/bartubeless-triumph-tiger800/?lang=en
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: fac191 on December 09, 2019, 04:15:54 PM
I think if you ride off road you will appreciate the engine changes more. IE the improvement in engine braking and traction. Tubeless tires should be standard though.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 09, 2019, 09:00:38 PM
*Originally Posted by Bladerunner99 [+]
Dying to find out if those tubeless wheels will fit my 2018 XCA.  :300:

Doubt it very much seeing as the bikes have new forks, new swing arms and new brake systems.
It would be far cheaper to get a tubeless conversion to you existing rims. The tape method is inexpensive and even if you buy a set of tubeless rims and have them installed it will be way cheaper than buying a complete wheel assembly from Triumph and you could do it today rather than waiting 6 months or so.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Lopez on December 10, 2019, 07:51:49 AM
*Originally Posted by Bladerunner99 [+]
Dying to find out if those tubeless wheels will fit my 2018 XCA.  :300:

If the price is the same than current wheels, forget about it. Better buy a complete bike.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Bladerunner99 on December 10, 2019, 11:11:39 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
Doubt it very much seeing as the bikes have new forks, new swing arms and new brake systems.
It would be far cheaper to get a tubeless conversion to you existing rims. The tape method is inexpensive and even if you buy a set of tubeless rims and have them installed it will be way cheaper than buying a complete wheel assembly from Triumph and you could do it today rather than waiting 6 months or so.

I researched tubeless conversions about 12 months back and could find nothing in Oz, best was Kineo in UK
https://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Kineo-Wire-Spoked-Wheels-Triumph-Tiger-800XC-XCX-XCA-2011-onwards.html
but would set me back about $4k delivered.  I am considering sealing the rear rim but not the front due to the lack of the tubeless bead.

To get back on topic!  I was at the Triumph visitor centre in UK at the beginning of July this year.  Part way through the tour the fire alarm went off so we were all hurried out of the building, we were taken out a side  doorway adjacent to the concealed research and development section and on the way out in the back yard were several bikes, some in bits and some in a skip but one was lent up against the side of a building, it was the black Tiger 900 that has been seen in the snap shots prior to release, couldn't make out what it was at the time.  Also interestingly, there was a Honda Africa Twin, which I guess was used for some development ideas, maybe in the T 900.

I mentioned what I had seen to the guide and he replied with a grin, "you have seen some stuff out there that you weren't meant to see"  :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 10, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
*Originally Posted by Bladerunner99 [+]
I researched tubeless conversions about 12 months back and could find nothing in Oz, best was Kineo in UK

Try these guys
https://www.jtr.com.au/page/one-stop-wheel-shop/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Bladerunner99 on December 10, 2019, 12:17:45 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
Try these guys
https://www.jtr.com.au/page/one-stop-wheel-shop/

Cheers K1W1, I tried them and they said not for the Tiger 800, not enough interest in that product for them.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 10, 2019, 01:11:40 PM
*Originally Posted by Bladerunner99 [+]
Cheers K1W1, I tried them and they said not for the Tiger 800, not enough interest in that product for them.

You know back on the Africa twin forum there are plenty of riders, that used the outex tubeless conversion kit or just same kind from 3M tape, can add silicon to spokes also and their wheels were easily converted.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 10, 2019, 10:11:59 PM
IDK if Triumph suggests a spoke maintenance schedule? -- but, many companies do: something in the neighborhood of 5K ~ 10K miles to check wire wheel security: rim true-ness & spoke tension.
In time spokes may loosen and the wheel's integrity may become compromised? To correct for loose spokes and/or rim misalignment the spoke nipples need adjusting whilst the rim is constantly checked for both axial and radial run-out.
Adjusting (turning) the spoke nipples may affect any tube-less seal?  :187:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 10, 2019, 10:47:48 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Adjusting (turning) the spoke nipples may affect any tube-less seal?  :187:

I wouldn't have thought so. The rim is only going to move fractions of a mm when being trued if it is anything like round to start with. The whole point of a spoked rim over a cast alloy one is that there is some flex in the rim to absorb surface irregularities so if the rim can do that without losing air I would expect a session on a truing stand would be within its capabilities. Worst case is you deflate and re inflate the tyre after the wheel is true to reset the tyre on the rim.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 10, 2019, 10:55:40 PM
I was questioning the integrity of the spoke-nipple seal to the rim.
Once the nipple is turned, won't the seal be compromised?  :187:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 10, 2019, 11:03:04 PM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
I was questioning the integrity of the spoke-nipple seal to the rim.
Once the nipple is turned, won't the seal be compromised?  :187:

The spokes are on the edge of the rim outside the tyre on the rims that Triumph are using. The other sort of tubeless rim (as used by Suzuki amongst others) is for the spokes to connect to a flange that is also outside the tyre.

Triumph/BMW/Ducati style rim

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1175/7670/products/96380071A_480x480.png?v=1534482545)

Similar style to what Suzuki and Yamaha use

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:i.pinimg.com/236x/61/25/b7/6125b7c595c28454161820055bd225ad--awesome-stuff-wheels.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 10, 2019, 11:16:22 PM
Thanks for that -- and, yes that's the (modern) way to do it.
But, what I was referring to where the comments made on posts #144 & #149 concerning converting old-style wire spoked wheels to tube-less.
Mentioned was "OUTEX Tubless Conversion" where they seem to use epoxy and paint and tape to seal the spoke nipples.
I guess I have my doubts..?  :187:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: K1W1 on December 11, 2019, 12:26:55 AM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Thanks for that -- and, yes that's the (modern) way to do it.
But, what I was referring to where the comments made on posts #144 & #149 concerning converting old-style wire spoked wheels to tube-less.
Mentioned was "OUTEX Tubless Conversion" where they seem to use epoxy and paint and tape to seal the spoke nipples.
I guess I have my doubts..?  :187:

I can see where you are coming from with the tubeless conversions that use a tape to seal the spoke nipples but people have been doing this for years on all sorts of bikes and I've never heard of an ongoing issue. Maybe modern motorcycle spokes don't come loose any longer? I know the ones on our mountain bikes have never needed adjusting and they are well over 10 years old (with tubed tyres of course).
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: AvgBear on December 11, 2019, 02:10:28 AM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
...I've never heard of an ongoing issue.
Maybe modern motorcycle spokes don't come loose any longer?
Maybe?
Maybe, too -- they're not checked any longer..?

From the JTR (QLD) site:
"TRUEING
Been racing motocross and your wheels gone out of round? Come see us and we can complete a wheel trueing service for you, we can retension your wheels and bring them back to original trueness (where possible) so that your not racing egg shape wheels."

Yes, MX will do 'em in -- but a little aggressive off-road can have similar (if maybe lesser) effects?

*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
The whole point of a spoked rim over a cast alloy one is that there is some flex in the rim to absorb surface irregularities
I would think if, as you suggest, the wheel rim is moving about / absorbing irregularities, the threaded spoke nipples may be having a difficult time maintaining proper tension?  :187:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on December 11, 2019, 09:09:34 AM
*Originally Posted by AvgBear [+]
Maybe, too -- they're not checked any longer..?

Yes, MX will do 'em in -- but a little aggressive off-road can have similar (if maybe lesser) effects?
I would think if, as you suggest, the wheel rim is moving about / absorbing irregularities, the threaded spoke nipples may be having a difficult time maintaining proper tension?  :187:

Spoke tension is checked in the MOT test in the UK. Watched him do it. So I check it before I take it.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Bladerunner99 on December 11, 2019, 11:53:49 AM
That has been a consideration of mine as well, I have had to nip up a couple of spokes on my bike maybe twice in 2 years/10000ks.  Also an issue if a spoke should need replacing.  That is why I would prefer the proper tubeless rims but price is a problem, they're really expensive.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Georgeinabz on December 11, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
*Originally Posted by K1W1 [+]
. Maybe modern motorcycle spokes don't come loose any longer?

They are going bananas on here , change of manufacturers to their wheels ?

https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/520200-Another-rear-wheel-collapse


Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: fac191 on December 11, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
Last good GS was the 1150.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiggerton on December 11, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
Why oh why would the gossipers want to bore us all with the spoked wheel debate on this Tiger 900 subject bearing in mind that all previous Tigers had spoked wheel variants.
Shouldn't we be discussing that ridiculous return to the plastic front brake fluids container or the offside headlamp being on whilst the nearside one is off a'la Honda etc. 

Regards
Tony
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: fac191 on December 11, 2019, 09:18:05 PM
I honestly cant see why all the spoked wheel variants of this new Tiger dont run tubeless wheels. Considering how much it now costs now it should be a given.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 12, 2019, 04:56:06 AM
*Originally Posted by Tiggerton [+]
Shouldn't we be discussing that ridiculous return to the plastic front brake fluids container or the offside headlamp being on whilst the nearside one is off a'la Honda etc. 

Regards
Tony

Oh no, they haven't gone down that route have they, it used to irritate me on my Tracer 900, makes it look like one of your lights is broken.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on December 12, 2019, 09:46:44 AM
*Originally Posted by Tiggerton [+]

Shouldn't we be discussing that ridiculous return to the plastic front brake fluids container or the offside headlamp being on whilst the nearside one is off a'la Honda etc. 

Regards
Tony

It's plastic so you can buy the nicer aluminium version from Triumph accessory catalogue.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: chico on December 15, 2019, 01:09:36 AM
Here is a Revzillia review of the 900 Tigers:

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-triumph-tiger-900-gt-and-rally-first-look?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12/13/2019_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined

Chico
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Maroc on December 24, 2019, 05:44:15 PM
Reading between the lines, as someone who has only riden and not owned a Triumph it appears the 900 is designed to perform better off road. 
The revised engine will give better traction in the dirt (the 800 has been criticized as having a too linear power delivery off road). With a now detachable subframe, less overall weight, a lower and more forward centre of mass and slimmer erganomics it's clearly aimed to compete with the ktm 790/gs850 plus the new 700 Tenere, all of which have upped their game in off-road ability. Fair play to Triumph!!
I'm interested in buying one.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on December 24, 2019, 06:14:58 PM
*Originally Posted by Maroc [+]
Reading between the lines, as someone who has only riden and not owned a Triumph it appears the 900 is designed to perform better off road. 
The revised engine will give better traction in the dirt (the 800 has been criticized as having a too linear power delivery off road). With a now detachable subframe, less overall weight, a lower and more forward centre of mass and slimmer erganomics it's clearly aimed to compete with the ktm 790/gs850 plus the new 700 Tenere, all of which have upped their game in off-road ability. Fair play to Triumph!!
I'm interested in buying one.

Exactly what my dealer said months ago, it's more Interesting for off-roaders with the changes, that's why being a road guy I went for the 800.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on December 24, 2019, 09:08:29 PM
Yeah I'm 90 road and 10 off road, at best, but honestly I really like how the new Tiger LOOKS, and the weight reduction is a bonus.

Can't afford one though, only had the XRT for 4 months so I'll have to wait at least another 6 before I consider another bike.   :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiger4Two on February 03, 2020, 02:10:59 PM
Prices for the new 900 are now up on the Triumph UK website although you do need to drill down to the individual models for details as the main 900 page still says Prices Coming Soon.  :187:

Accessories and prices also available so you can play with the configurator to while away your afternoons.   :046:

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 03, 2020, 02:43:38 PM
£11,100 for the GT seems like a fairly decent price. No centre stand, fog lights or heated seats though. I could probably live without those seeing as I can't even get my current XRT on and off the centre stand.   :008:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 03, 2020, 03:10:34 PM
I'd go for the GT Pro at £12,800, the extras over the standard GT include a quickshifter, tyre pressure monitor, foglights, heated seats, centre stand and electronic rear suspension adjustment.

I agree with you on the centre stand which is completely impossible for me to use on my 2019 800 XRT. It will be interesting to see if this flaw persists into the 900 models. The only way I finally managed to operate the stand, after reading a tip on this forum, is to back the rear wheel on to a bit of wood to raise it off the ground. With a struggle I then just about got it on to the stand. Without doing that there was no way I could operate the CS.

I think the XRT is one great bike and the centre stand problem is my only criticism. On paper it looks like the GT Pro 900 is even better but I'll reserve final judgement until I've read some reviews and more importantly, had a go on one.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on February 03, 2020, 07:58:05 PM
I've just specced up a GT Pro - near enough £15k with my chosen accessories fitted. https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure/tiger-900-gt/gt-pro

Definitely not happening any time soon.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 03, 2020, 08:57:10 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
£11,100 for the GT seems like a fairly decent price. No centre stand, fog lights or heated seats though. I could probably live without those seeing as I can't even get my current XRT on and off the centre stand.   :008:

I don't see a centre stand option in the accessories?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 04, 2020, 08:28:14 AM
Same in Switzerland, there's only LED turn signals, some connectors and safety element in the accessories, so I absolutely don't get their marketing on the 900, because from the GT to GT pro you pay 2000 more which is huge, but you can't have any of the different hardware as accessories, pretty weird !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 04, 2020, 09:04:43 AM
That's terrible if true.

At least with the upcoming BMW F900XR, for example, you can customise it exactly as you like.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 04, 2020, 10:04:28 AM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
That's terrible if true.

At least with the upcoming BMW F900XR, for example, you can customise it exactly as you like.

Never been a BMW fan, but yeah that seems awfully dumb from Triumph, especially going into configurator with the 800 seeing all the accessories !
With the BMW though beware that unless you configure it full option, resale will be difficult, you might loose a lot of money unless of course you buy another BMW.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: felix on February 04, 2020, 02:34:49 PM
Prices are pretty much what I expected.
I thing that more options will be added.... especially a centre stand, which should be included on all models.
For those struggling with the 800 centre stand, I just roll the front wheel onto a plank of wood when at home.... makes it a doddle even in my slippers !)
I'm looking forward to a test ride on the 900 but unless it's absolutely on a different level to the 800 AND some thought had gone into the servicing time / cost then I can't see me buying one.

£850 for a 24k valve service from a main dealer for my 800 is taking the p.... especially if Triumph arnt allowing independents access to updates/ software for the 2018 onwards models.

To put things in perspective.... a major / valve  service on the Honda Africa Twin is around £440 from a Honda dealer.

It's not just the price of the bike I will be looking at......


Rant over..... just hate being ripped off.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 04, 2020, 02:37:03 PM
Indeed, unfortunately I was not aware of the huge 12k service cost for the Tiger until after I bought the bike (It's due in 4000 miles so that will be later this year), had I known before there's a good chance I wouldn't have bought the bike, which is annoying as it's a great bike.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 04, 2020, 02:42:53 PM
*Originally Posted by felix [+]
Prices are pretty much what I expected.
I thing that more options will be added.... especially a centre stand, which should be included on all models.
For those struggling with the 800 centre stand, I just roll the front wheel onto a plank of wood when at home.... makes it a doddle even in my slippers !)
I'm looking forward to a test ride on the 900 but unless it's absolutely on a different level to the 800 AND some thought had gone into the servicing time / cost then I can't see me buying one.

£850 for a 24k valve service from a main dealer for my 800 is taking the p.... especially if Triumph arnt allowing independents access to updates/ software for the 2018 onwards models.

To put things in perspective.... a major / valve  service on the Honda Africa Twin is around £440 from a Honda dealer.

It's not just the price of the bike I will be looking at......


Rant over..... just hate being ripped off.

I'm really shocked since coming on this forum, how you guys are even taken more for cash cows than us Swiss, I used to have a Honda AT and my valve check cost 450 CHF so 360 GBP and basically the boss of the Triumph dealership told me this particular service will be cheaper than what I paid at Honda, I asked because that Honda service was the most expensive I ever got from a Japanese motorcycle dealer.

This is definitely not right !

*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Indeed, unfortunately I was not aware of the huge 12k service cost for the Tiger until after I bought the bike (It's due in 4000 miles so that will be later this year), had I known before there's a good chance I wouldn't have bought the bike, which is annoying as it's a great bike.

Pretty much all the adventure bikes nowadays have the same intervals, only Multistradas are longer but you'll pay a lot for service anyway, so not really sure that's going to factor in the choice.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiger4Two on February 04, 2020, 04:42:21 PM
15k+ for a fully spec'd GT Pro plus you probably still need another grand to add a rear hugger (definitely), front mudguard extension (definitely), rear number plate extension (definitely, just to keep the crud off the back of the bike), Scottoiler (definitely), better windscreen (probably), better seating especially for the pillion (probably), better front tyre (definitely), better brake pads (definitely).  :087: Looks like a visit to the bank manager will be in order.  :020:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 04, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Does it look like the existing Expedition Top Box and Sliding Rack from the 18 on models will still fit the new 900's?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 04, 2020, 05:14:22 PM
*Originally Posted by sprint [+]
Does it look like the existing Expedition Top Box and Sliding Rack from the 18 on models will still fit the new 900's?

Doesn't look like it looking at two images of the sliding carriage side by side. The position of the fixing holes are in different places. The existing box probably fits the new carriage though.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: nobsta on February 04, 2020, 07:45:24 PM
Ummm gonna be a tough one for the new Tiger to convince me what with the extortionate service costs. I worked out the overall service cost of the current Tiger vs the Multistrada 1260s and the Multi is cheaper!! Yer its more expensive to buy but with it now offering a 4 year warranty, longer service intervals and all the extra electrics it has over the Tiger its deffo a contender. Servicing cost is the biggest bug for me.  :009:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: coddy on February 04, 2020, 07:57:03 PM
I don't understand why people take their bikes to a dealer when they know how expensive they are. Take it to a independent as there are some with the latest software and save a packet.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: felix on February 04, 2020, 09:37:13 PM
Fair point... many of us don't.

Unfortunately, Triumph have stopped allowing access to software updates and diagnostics for maybe "some" independents for the Tiger 800 2018 model onwards...

For me.... if I can't find an independent to carry out my 24k service for a reasonable price,  it will be a case of it will eirher not get done, or more likely I will px my beloved Tiger for another brand.

There is no way I will give Triumph the best part of £1,000  ( The £850 does not include valve adjustment - just a check)  for a service that's adds very little to the value of my bike.

I would rather sit in a car park and burn pound notes.
 
Grrrrrrr.


You can service a high end car for half the price..... and NO.... it isn't a high end prestige marque state of the art Moto GP bike !

Reality check required.


We are all bright enough to know when we are being screwed....

We ARE being SCREWED



Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Matchbox on February 05, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
Couple of things I’ve noticed on new Tigers.

1. There is now a crossbar behind the screen. Handy for satnav?

2. Seat lock now on side of bike below saddle. Hate current bikes position.

3. Accessory socket also on side below saddle. (how am I going to plug in satnav!).

Hopefully rear suspension adjustment is better designed.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 05, 2020, 09:17:30 PM
Anybody know if any difference in 6th gear ratio?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: tauzero on February 06, 2020, 09:48:43 AM
The owner's handbook isn't available yet on the Triumph website, but as the 800 handbook has gear ratios in the spec section, when the 900 handbook gets published, it'll be possible to find out (assuming that will also have gear ratios).
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 06, 2020, 10:04:10 AM
Ok, I'll keep a lookout for the 900 handbook coming out then, they've fixed my other concerns eg brakes & peg hangers. Needs a higher 6th for M'way work to improve high speed economy. Just imo of course.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: tauzero on February 06, 2020, 10:15:22 AM
According to the Ultimate Motorcycling article that was linked to somewhere above, the footpeg position is adjustable. A couple of years ago at the NEC bike show, there was a stand that was conducting surveys about features people would like to see on Triumphs. I told them that adjustable footpeg position would be really good. Maybe they listened to me. I'll take the credit, anyway.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Mike_Blomquist on February 06, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
*Originally Posted by Matchbox [+]
Couple of things I’ve noticed on new Tigers.

1. There is now a crossbar behind the screen. Handy for satnav?

2. Seat lock now on side of bike below saddle. Hate current bikes position.

3. Accessory socket also on side below saddle. (how am I going to plug in satnav!).

Hopefully rear suspension adjustment is better designed.

Hey! so i've seen the bikes upfront at a fair, and as soon as i get to ride one to confirm it is what i think it is, i will get a rally pro;
but to answer those bits,
1 - I was told its for easier adjust of the screen, real handy grabbing it, but i reckon you could mount a satnav there and adjust the 800 way.
2 - It will be great as the water proof phone cradle is under the pillion too.
3 - There is also a socket between the handlebars and the tft screen ( i was worried about it too )
4 - Rear suspension is now adjusted by a knob you can actually reach whilst sitting on the bike.  - no tools required.

I'm really hoping the will keep the schedule of the 2018 release of the updated 800's and having press releases start coming this weekend/ early next week.

/M
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tigermainia on February 06, 2020, 01:30:56 PM
*Originally Posted by Phurtim [+]
I'd go for the GT Pro at £12,800, the extras over the standard GT include a quickshifter, tyre pressure monitor, foglights, heated seats, centre stand and electronic rear suspension adjustment.

I agree with you on the centre stand which is completely impossible for me to use on my 2019 800 XRT. It will be interesting to see if this flaw persists into the 900 models. The only way I finally managed to operate the stand, after reading a tip on this forum, is to back the rear wheel on to a bit of wood to raise it off the ground. With a struggle I then just about got it on to the stand. Without doing that there was no way I could operate the CS.

I think the XRT is one great bike and the centre stand problem is my only criticism. On paper it looks like the GT Pro 900 is even better but I'll reserve final judgement until I've read some reviews and more importantly, had a go on one.

I don't have a problem with CS, its all down to the way you approach it, I am 5' 9" and weigh around 12st 7lbs, you don't need great strength to do it its down to knack.

On level ground i.e. garage feel the CS balance on the two feet, then right foot on the CS plate hold the handle bar and rear grab handle then stand on the plate and straighten your right leg, up she goes, no lifting required just pressure with the leg.

Sorry of topic  :451:  :431:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 06, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
Been discussed to death, we all know how to put a bike on a CS. Piece of cake on my previous Tracer 900, I could even easily do it on and off on a slope.

The issue with the Tiger is that apparently not all the stands are the same (for some weird reason), some bikes are harder to put on the CS than others.

Sorry for  :451:

Back on topic, hopefully the stand on the 900 is a lot more friendly.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: nobsta on February 06, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
On the stand note...The side stand looks different on the new 900 Tiger with a slight bend in it.  Probably been noted somewhere already but its about bloody time they changed it. Hopefully it will inspire more confidence than the current one??
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: coddy on February 06, 2020, 09:06:26 PM
What's wrong with the current one?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 07, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
*Originally Posted by coddy [+]
What's wrong with the current one?

Come round my house and let me see how you get on putting my XRT on and off the CS.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 07, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Come round my house and let me see how you get on putting my XRT on and off the CS.

He was referring to the side stand not the Centre stand.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 07, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
I thought nobsta had written centre stand, sorry.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 07, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
What's problem with the sidestand?  :187: It's just a sidestand, like any other.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 07, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
People grumbling about the 800 rolling of the side stand.

If in doubt leave it in gear.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 07, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
People grumbling about the 800 rolling of the side stand.

If in doubt leave it in gear.

Need do that with any bike.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 07, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
People grumbling about the 800 rolling of the side stand.

If in doubt leave it in gear.

Lol what, if someone leaves their bike parked in neutral, sorry they're a moron, that's basics with also never parking a bike headfirst in a downslope, not specific to Triumph.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 07, 2020, 11:57:34 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
Lol what, if someone leaves their bike parked in neutral, sorry they're a moron, that's basics with also never parking a bike headfirst in a downslope, not specific to Triumph.

There are lots of them around.  :492:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 07, 2020, 01:03:49 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
What's problem with the sidestand?  :187: It's just a sidestand, like any other.

Yeah I've got no issues with the current side stand, I find it better than most really.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiger4Two on February 07, 2020, 04:29:50 PM
OK, here's an interesting one for you to deliberate over.

On the 900 GT Pro and Rally Pro Electrical Accessories configurator Triumph have listed:

LED Front and Rear Indicators @ £105.00 per set (so that is £210.00 in total as you can't add front or rear only)

LED Front and Rear SCROLLING Indicators @ £105.60 per set (so that is £211.20 for the set as the same fitting rule applies)

Can anyone come up with a good reason why you would not want the scrolling version for the extra one pound and twenty pence?  :261:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on February 07, 2020, 04:35:13 PM
I'm very surprised that LED indicators aren't standard on the Pro models.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 07, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I'm very surprised that LED indicators aren't standard on the Pro models.

They should be standard on all bikes now, the budget friendly Honda CB500 range has them.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: JMc on February 07, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
"Can anyone come up with a good reason why you would not want the scrolling version for the extra one pound and twenty pence?  :261:"

Because scrolling indicators make you look like a TWAT in my honest opinion, why pay (on Audi's and BMW's) hundreds if not thousands of pounds for something you can't even see when you are driving, and yes i do say TWAT everytime i see them being used, along with stupid private plates  or just as bad a number plate in the front window because the "dude" thinks its cool to not have in on the grill...... :232: :005: :005: :005:

have a nice weekend all  :152:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiger4Two on February 07, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I'm very surprised that LED indicators aren't standard on the Pro models.

That's another odd thing, on scrolled page 13 of the Key Features for the 900 GT Pro it does clearly state NEW ALL-LED LIGHTING including indicators (where local legislation allows).
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tiger4Two on February 07, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
*Originally Posted by JMc [+]
"Can anyone come up with a good reason why you would not want the scrolling version for the extra one pound and twenty pence?  :261:"

Because scrolling indicators make you look like a TWAT in my honest opinion, why pay (on Audi's and BMW's) hundreds if not thousands of pounds for something you can't even see when you are driving, and yes i do say TWAT everytime i see them being used, along with stupid private plates  or just as bad a number plate in the front window because the "dude" thinks its cool to not have in on the grill...... :232: :005: :005: :005:

have a nice weekend all  :152:

Thanks JMc for thinking I'm a TWAT. Perhaps we'll meet one day and then you may find out how much of a twat I can be!
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 07, 2020, 05:00:56 PM
On the plus side that's almost a bargain of an exhaust for a triumph/arrow = £495. And only 18 minutes to install - so another 60 or so  :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: nobsta on February 07, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
With regard to the side stand imo there is not enough forward lean angel on it. This has been covered already a few times on this forum. The current side stand is straight. Some stands on other bikes have a bend in them as per the stand on the new 900 Tiger. When I park the Tiger I have very little confidence that the bike wont roll off the stand with the slightest of forward push even on the flats which is why I often, probably 90% of the time, leave it in gear. 30+ years of owning different bikes and this is the only bike I've had an issue with regard to parking it!. I very rarely feel I need to leave my other bikes in gear unless they are parked on a steep incline. Maybe its because the Tiger is a bit top heavy but I just think its a s**t badly designed stand and am glad Triumph have, after 3 updates, finally listened to people and changed it. Rant over
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 07, 2020, 07:56:32 PM
It is poorly designed in that respect, as is their shitty centre stand. Prime example here in this video, fast forward to 19:30.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 07, 2020, 08:04:17 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
It is poorly designed in that respect, as is their shitty centre stand. Prime example here in this video, fast forward to 19:30.


Omg he doesn't even seem to lift the bike to be 90 degrees from road, no wonder he can't get it on, if you do that of course it won't go...

And for the side stand stop being paranoid, it's not so different than all ma Yamis, is it that difficult to park in first gear ? I'm baffled that's the first thing we're told doing the riding courses in Switzerland, 1st and head uphill.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 07, 2020, 08:20:56 PM
What are you on about, he's on a flat surface.

My situation is exactly the same, I really struggle to get the bloody bike on the centre stand. It's poorly designed, I can get my Tracer 900 on the centre stand so easily by comparison it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 07, 2020, 09:01:52 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
What are you on about, he's on a flat surface.

My situation is exactly the same, I really struggle to get the bloody bike on the centre stand. It's poorly designed, I can get my Tracer 900 on the centre stand so easily by comparison it's ridiculous.

I'm talking sidewise not front to rear, I don't see him getting much off the side stand, that was my point.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: nobsta on February 07, 2020, 10:10:53 PM
I think we can all agree to disagree here but a bike should be designed to rest on its side stand without the need to put the bike into gear to stop it falling over when on a flat surface. It makes me feel uncomfortable leaving the bike on the flat without it being in gear. I nearly lost the bike once when parked on a slight incline. Lucky I caught it. Never had this issue before.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 07, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
Parking any bike on an incline without the gear in, will result in a nightmare, that's really not an argument, this is a non issue I'm shocked people argue that it's somehow wrong or difficult to engage a gear for parking, it should be common sense.

For your information it's even said in the 2018 manual...
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: nobsta on February 07, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
There's nothing wrong or difficult about leaving a parked bike in gear! My issue is to do with the finished design and fit of the side stand and as I said on a flat surface the bike shouldn't need to be left in gear to stop the dam thing falling over with a slight nudge!! 
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on February 08, 2020, 08:48:22 AM
 :455:

This topic is not about side stands....   :038:

If this overly long topic continues to stray then it will be closed.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: kokkios on February 08, 2020, 01:37:41 PM
First ride impressions of the new Tiger 900

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 08, 2020, 02:11:26 PM
Don't like the white frame.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: FROGY46 on February 08, 2020, 02:37:54 PM
my English is primary but see the  specification on the Triumph site.in French " c'est pareil".

I agree scrolling indicator      ............ ok i go out.

NEW signature all-LED lighting
The Tiger 900 range’s signature all-LED lighting brings maintenance-free visibility with a new more distinctively styled headlight with DRL, tail light, auxiliary lights, and indicators.  The new all-LED headlight provides a 27% mass reduction over alternative lighting systems, while incorporating distinctive Daytime Running Lights (DRL)*. The LED auxiliary lights provide long distance, all day capability, and are fitted as standard on the top spec GT Pro and Rally Pro models. (*Please note that the
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on February 08, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
I'm confused as to why the LED indicators are listed as a £200+ option on the configurator; is this an error given that the website lists all lighting as LED as standard?

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure/tiger-900/technology
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 08, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I'm confused as to why the LED indicators are listed as a £200+ option on the configurator; is this an error given that the website lists all lighting as LED as standard?

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure/tiger-900/technology

The base model doesn't have LED indicators.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 08, 2020, 04:08:09 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I'm confused as to why the LED indicators are listed as a £200+ option on the configurator; is this an error given that the website lists all lighting as LED as standard?

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/adventure/tiger-900/technology

I would image that it is simply poor proofreading by Triumph in as much that they have not correctly identified on the accessories associated with each version what is standard.

As has also been raised they have also not listed a center stand as an accessory, I can't imagine that they expect everybody who wants a center stand to have to pay an extra £2/3k for the top of the range version just to get one. Or being cynical, perhaps they do!
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tallpaul on February 08, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
If you need a centre stand, you can buy aftermarket items.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 08, 2020, 04:15:59 PM
Just look at pictures, both GT and both Rally models have LED turn signals, only the entry model doesn't.

But unfortunately I'm affraid on these bikes triumph decided to not offer accessories, you only get them buying the models !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 08, 2020, 04:20:25 PM
*Originally Posted by Tallpaul [+]
If you need a centre stand, you can buy aftermarket items.

Not aware that there has ever been any aftermarket center stands for the Tiger 800's? Are there some available?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on February 08, 2020, 04:57:24 PM
SW Motech, possibly Touratech as well? Presumably it'll be a few months before third party manufacturers gear up for the 900.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tallpaul on February 09, 2020, 11:49:10 AM
*Originally Posted by sprint [+]
Not aware that there has ever been any aftermarket center stands for the Tiger 800's? Are there some available?

https://www.motea.com/en/motorcycle-accessories/centre-and-sidestands?b=2147
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 09, 2020, 11:59:01 AM
So I stand corrected as there seems to be a number of manufactures making them, though looking that the prices not much, if any, savings over the original Triumph stand?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Admin on February 09, 2020, 03:04:01 PM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
:455:

This topic is not about side stands....   :038:

If this overly long topic continues to stray then it will be closed.

 :138:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 09, 2020, 06:24:43 PM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
:138:

Do it, Do it, Do it..................
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 10, 2020, 02:54:53 PM
Update on the Visordown review:

https://www.visordown.com/reviews/first-ride/triumph-tiger-900-2020-review

Seems that they are more off road focussed in their review.

Downs are more vibration due to the change in the firing configuration and they would appear to have reduced the height of the fairing screen when compared to the 18 on Gen 3 versions.

Will be disappointing if both are what other reviewers and owners find.   
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 10, 2020, 02:56:44 PM
I'm more than happy with my 2018, this just confirms my opinion.  I'll probably move on to a different brand when my XRT is long in the tooth.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 10, 2020, 03:07:45 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
I'm more than happy with my 2018, this just confirms my opinion.  I'll probably move on to a different brand when my XRT is long in the tooth.

Yup same for me, I got rid of my Africa twin because when you ride a lot every day, honestly a twin gets tiring and the triple is more comfy, I really don't know why triumph wants to be more like all other twins.
Not to mention that I don't want 0.5l/km more when traveling, I start questioning this race of manufacturers for higher displacement "cleaner" bikes, that end up burning more fuel, it's a bit backwards.

I'm very happy with my decision on the 800 which cost me 3000 less than buying a 900.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 10, 2020, 03:11:36 PM
Indeed, it seems to me I've been lucky enough to get the best version of the Tiger (in MY opinion), and sadly the only one I'll probably have.

I don't get why they changed the firing order of the engine, don't fix what isn't broken as they say?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 10, 2020, 03:22:14 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Indeed, it seems to me I've been lucky enough to get the best version of the Tiger (in MY opinion), and sadly the only one I'll probably have.

I don't get why they changed the firing order of the engine, don't fix what isn't broken as they say?

Hehe that's what all my mechanics and programming teachers always said, don't fix it if it ain't broken, but also the triple is the "mark" of triumph, because not many buy Benellis  :008:, why then give more customers to Yamaha, it's so weird.

I'm so in love with my 800 can't wait for the tempest to tone down and ride !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 10, 2020, 03:36:17 PM
Eeez it better

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 10, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
I'm so in love with my 800 can't wait for the tempest to tone down and ride !

Same, I went out Saturday and for the first time I really pushed her, put in sport mode and twisted the throttle perhaps more than I should have, lol, and it was amazing. To those people (on social media) who have said the Tiger is a bit dull, I don't know what they're smoking.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 10, 2020, 03:47:07 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Same, I went out Saturday and for the first time I really pushed her, put in sport mode and twisted the throttle perhaps more than I should have, lol, and it was amazing. To those people (on social media) who have said the Tiger is a bit dull, I don't know what they're smoking.

It's always the same story some people are hung up on specs, if it doesn't make 160hp it's dull... I always prefer a bike I have to push and ride hard, to get good control, than a beast of a bike, that will throw you on a matter of seconds, because it's too powerful on our limited roads.

Have to give props to this reviewer, it's been a long time I didn't read what seems to be a very honest test, not catering to a brand.
My triumph guy told me the same back in September, the 900 is better off-road, but for all day long range he said you might be better with the 800.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 10, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
Yep, 95 bhp is plenty for road use and the beauty is you can twist the throttle a lot more and feel like you're using everything the bike has.

Anyway regarding the 900, is there a practical reason they changed the firing order, surely not just a sound note thing?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 10, 2020, 03:55:58 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Yep, 95 bhp is plenty for road use and the beauty is you can twist the throttle a lot more and feel like you're using everything the bike has.

Anyway regarding the 900, is there a practical reason they changed the firing order, surely not just a sound note thing?

From what they said it's mainly for better off-road traction, which makes sense I guess, because it doesn't improve consumption or balancing of the engine it seems, it rather introduces vibes because of the unbalanced firing.

You know the saying, there's no free lunch !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 11, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 11, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]

Still mainly focusing on the off road version but what I take from their review, sadly, is that Triumph seem to have focused the new 900 on off road use at the expense of the road going version? If their comments are accurate about the new firing configuration really only benefiting off road use and whilst vibration may not be an issue if you are bouncing over rough terrain it certainly may spoil the road going versions?

Guess we will have to wait for other reviews and actually trying them ourselves.   
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Matchbox on February 11, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Anyone noticed the screen looks small/narrower than 800?
Strange front brake reservoir set above handlebars.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: SOHUTAA on February 11, 2020, 11:06:20 PM
*Originally Posted by Matchbox [+]
Anyone noticed the screen looks small/narrower than 800?
Strange front brake reservoir set above handlebars.



To make the front brakes more efficient, Triumph has chosen to install a master radial brake cylinder, which has the unique feature of not having a built-in tank!
So it is external like very often in the back. . .
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 12, 2020, 09:10:24 AM
MCN review of GTP:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/triumph/tiger-900-gt-pro/2020/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 12, 2020, 09:40:51 AM
*Originally Posted by Matchbox [+]
Anyone noticed the screen looks small/narrower than 800?
Strange front brake reservoir set above handlebars.


No doubt to make people have to buy the taller screen accessory!
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Mike_Blomquist on February 12, 2020, 04:47:58 PM
 
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I think im still on for a 900 rally pro.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Tallpaul on February 12, 2020, 05:11:23 PM
Good review, I have to wait until next year!
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 12, 2020, 05:33:59 PM
I sometimes wonder how much the marketing BS, make people feel things just because they told them, a la placebo effect, that they might maybe not have been so concious without that, because when I test motorcycles without all this I tend to have different experiences.
Although this guy asks really good questions, nice review and comparison much better than many "pro" journalists, the review I'm waiting on is Spurgeon from Revzilla who rallied the hell out of a Tiger 800 for years, so he'll be the most reliable I think.

The more videos I see, the more I dislike the exhaust note, sounds like tractor feels a bit too BMW in my opinion  :164:, also still no one addressing fuel consumption...
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Mike_Blomquist on February 12, 2020, 05:43:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
I sometimes wonder how much the marketing BS, make people feel things just because they told them, a la placebo effect, that they might maybe not have been so concious without that, because when I test motorcycles without all this I tend to have different experiences.
Although this guy asks really good questions, nice review and comparison much better than many "pro" journalists, the review I'm waiting on is Spurgeon from Revzilla who rallied the hell out of a Tiger 800 for years, so he'll be the most reliable I think.

The more videos I see, the more I dislike the exhaust note, sounds like tractor feels a bit too BMW in my opinion  :164:, also still no one addressing fuel consumption...


And. Steve Kamrad ✊🏻
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Stevie.P on February 12, 2020, 07:27:26 PM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
The more videos I see, the more I dislike the exhaust note ........

:0461: ..... has definitely lost its unique Triumph triple sound.  :151:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: OzzieTiger on February 13, 2020, 07:51:47 AM
I agree with Stevie.P
 I think the 900 sounds ok at idle but it doesn't have the Triumph triple sound when you crank the revs up.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 13, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
In yesterdays MCN article on the 900, they say it has reduced oil capacity, smaller sump all down to dropping the engine but increasing ground clearance. It doesn't say how much less it will hold but the sump looks considerably smaller.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 13, 2020, 09:33:23 AM
Would a dry sump not have improved ground clearance, abait with added weight?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 13, 2020, 09:35:38 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
...also still no one addressing fuel consumption...

Triumph quote 55.4mpg (5.2l/100 km) but as we all know, manufacturers' figures bear little relation to real world usage so expect something worse than this.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 13, 2020, 09:42:52 AM
*Originally Posted by KildareMan [+]
Would a dry sump not have improved ground clearance, abait with added weight?
It would by why do that, which requires as you say more weight, and complication too with the oil lines, when the same goal can be achieved by a reduced sump with the advantages of higher ground clearance and less oil? I don't see any disadvantage of a smaller sump, assuming that Triumph have ensured that the oil supply is adequate for all conditions which they must have (I hope!).
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 13, 2020, 09:50:16 AM
*Originally Posted by Phurtim [+]
Triumph quote 55.4mpg (5.2l/100 km) but as we all know, manufacturers' figures bear little relation to real world usage so expect something worse than this.

On my specs there's a 0.5l/100km difference, so basically if you calculate the 1l increase is irrelevant, using triumph numbers the new would make 20km less, but as you said usually these numbers are not even realistic, so you can question the point to upgrade and have effectively less mileage !

As for the sump, Honda did something in between dry and wet on the Africa twin to increase clearance.
But I question the reality of this decrease of sump, simply because in the motobob video the triumph rep say 5kg decrease on the model, then precises 2.5kg on the drive train, then there's the rear aluminum frame and your left with not much, I'm not convinced it's as big as they pretend, it's more marketing I think.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 13, 2020, 10:05:39 AM
I think you're correct that it looks like the tank range of the 900 is a little less than the 800. That wouldn't put me off buying one though because fuel consumption is relatively unimportant for me as purely a leisure rider, compared with all the other features one considers on a bike. I suspect that it's not the most important point for most bikers though some of course are concerned with it.

I'm happy with my 2019 xrt but might consider changing if the 900GTP is much better. That needs a decent test ride, not just reading reviews though they are helpful.

As for the sump, reducing it was not about weight saving from what I understand, it was only about increasing ground clearance which they have achieved. There will be a minor weight saving with the reduced oil capacity but that was not the aim of doing it. As I said earlier, I can't see any disadvantages of this, it's all positive I think.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 13, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
*Originally Posted by Phurtim [+]
I think you're correct that it looks like the tank range of the 900 is a little less than the 800. That wouldn't put me off buying one though because fuel consumption is relatively unimportant to me, compared with all the other features one considers on a bike. I'm happy with my 2019 xrt but might consider changing if the 900GTP is much better. That needs a decent test ride, not just reading reviews.

As for the sump, reducing it was not about weight saving from what I understand, it was only about increasing ground clearance which they have achieved. There will be a minor weight saving with the reduced oil capacity but that was not the aim of doing it. As I said earlier, I can't see any disadvantages of this, it's all positive I think.

For me as a Europe traveler, I need at least 400km range, which I manage on my xrt, but sure everyone has different needs.

Yes I know the sump wasn't directly for weight savings, but they did talk a lot about the cog moving the engine etc, also the sump to improve the bike, that's where I question if that's so relevant in real life, or just marketing.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 13, 2020, 10:18:27 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
...Yes I know the sump wasn't directly for weight savings, but they did talk a lot about the cog moving the engine etc, also the sump to improve the bike, that's where I question if that's so relevant in real life, or just marketing.

I don't think that increasing ground clearance whilst at the same time lowering cog is just marketing. It must have some advantage in handling particularly on dirt but also on the road too. I know manufacturers do many things for marketing purposes but this modification makes actual sense to me. What's not to like?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 13, 2020, 10:24:53 AM
*Originally Posted by Phurtim [+]
I don't think that increasing ground clearance whilst at the same time lowering cog is just marketing. It must have some advantage in handling particularly on dirt but also on the road too. There are no downsides to it.

No I mean the question is not if the laws of physics apply or not, sure it's a theoretical improvement, but can you actually feel it and really benefit, maybe on extreme dirt riding yes, otherwise I'm skeptical.
I have a friend who owned the RSV 4 with the engine able to move in the frame, to adjust the cog and he was pretty good at racing, he told me he never really felt much advantage changing that, for the common mortals most little things like this are often irrelevant.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 13, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
Looking like they've addressed the low 6th gear issue that concerned some of us. So the 900 is perfection for me now, with the rear subframe/pillion peg hangers & decent brakes. The build quality is up with the Tiger Sport. Just imo of course.

800 top gear 100mph = 7230

900 top gear 100mph = 6450
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 13, 2020, 03:48:06 PM
What would the rpm's be at a more usual 70mph?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 13, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
What would the rpm's be at a more usual 70mph?

70% of what it would at 100mph.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 13, 2020, 04:09:18 PM
 :183:
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
What would the rpm's be at a more usual 70mph?

Approx 4500 rpm.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 13, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
Hmm, a nice bit lower than the 800. Not enough for me to 'upgrade' to though.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 13, 2020, 05:16:43 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
Hmm, a nice bit lower than the 800. Not enough for me to 'upgrade' to though.

Just change the gearing, cheaper and you might still even spend less fuel riding. Maybe that's what they actually did on the 900...
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 14, 2020, 08:51:15 AM
Another review of the 900:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/triumph/triumph-tiger-900-2020-rally-gt-pro-review-price-spec
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: tcbandituk on February 14, 2020, 09:19:25 AM
Seems like the new engine is better for off road with the low down pick up, but maybe not so much for road only with the vibes, although the lower gearing may help.
Ironic that it is worse for emissions and drinks more fuel to meet Euro5  :015:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Mike_Blomquist on February 14, 2020, 09:23:32 AM
Im coming off a 2018 harley. Im quite surprised how worried everyone is about vibrations, even visordown says they are far less then on a twin..  motobob said it was nothing compared to a twin but a tiny bit more then the 800. Im gettin a 900 if it feels like they claim.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 14, 2020, 09:24:13 AM
Nice they talked about mileage and also the thing that puzzled me, the co2 emissions being quite higher on a Euro 5 engine, which is counter intuitive.
I've been saying this for a while, this pollution race for higher cc is very questionable, who wants to burn more fuel every 2-3 years...

This sums up pretty well these tests "it also feels lighter, better balanced with a lower centre of gravity, more agile and even, to me, narrower at the knees. Even if it’s partly psychosomatic, it’s good stuff off-road."
So yeah off-road kind, on road is more debatable.

What really makes me happy to have bought the 800, despite I wanted a normal triple, is the free luggage I got, which is shamefully not included according to them, on the expensive GT pro, I wouldn't pay so much.
Also you can argue changing gearing on the 800 would give you the same reduction in rpms and more kick like the 900.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 14, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
...What really makes me happy to have bought the 800, despite I wanted a normal triple, is the free luggage I got, which is shamefully not included according to them, on the expensive GT pro, I wouldn't pay so much...

The free luggage l which I also obtained on my 19 800xrt, and other deals that makers offer sometimes, occur when sales are slow, often in winter or when a bike is coming to the end of its production run with a new model due out, so they want to speed up clearance of the old bikes.

It would be unusual though for a maker to offer deals on brand new model bikes, they'll tend to wait and see how sales progress before considering that. I wouldn't call it "shameful" that there's no free luggage on the 900, it's just business. Very few bikes in this class include luggage in the list price.

There's always the chance that Triumph may introduce free luggage or other deals on the 900 at some stage if sales are worse than anticipated and the most likely time for this is next winter when bike sales are always slow anyway.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Stevie.P on February 14, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
 :0461:

When I bought my XRt Sept 15 the 'Gen 2' bikes were pretty new and I was unable, even as a cash sale, to negotiate any discount except 10% on the long list of accessories I wanted and free fitting at PDI. I purchased the carrier and topbox and fortunately by the time I was ready for using panniers and had indicated to my dealer I was near buying them (£525) they became free with new bikes and I was able to buy them still boxed off a forum member at a decent saving, (£325) posted.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 14, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
:0461:

When I bought my XRt Sept 15 the 'Gen 2' bikes were pretty new and I was unable, even as a cash sale, to negotiate any discount except 10% on the long list of accessories I wanted and free fitting at PDI. I purchased the carrier and topbox and fortunately by the time I was ready for using panniers and had indicated to my dealer I was near buying them (£525) they became free with new bikes and I was able to buy them still boxed off a forum member at a decent saving, (£325) posted.

Though they weren't the sturdy aluminum type, I was still offered the luggage for free, on my 2017 Africa twin and got a price on the bike, so Triumph is not impressing me on this matter.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Phurtim on February 14, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
:0461:

When I bought my XRt Sept 15 the 'Gen 2' bikes were pretty new and I was unable, even as a cash sale, to negotiate any discount except 10% on the long list of accessories I wanted and free fitting at PDI. I purchased the carrier and topbox and fortunately by the time I was ready for using panniers and had indicated to my dealer I was near buying them (£525) they became free with new bikes and I was able to buy them still boxed off a forum member at a decent saving, (£325) posted.

There are two situations here regarding deals. One is the factory deals like the free luggage on the recent 800 bikes which every buyer receives and are promoted by makers in their marketing material, the other is whatever discount or freebies individual buyers can negotiate with their dealer and not usually advertised.

As for cash sales, dealers these days actually prefer buyers to use some form of credit like the currently popular PCP etc. because they get a cut from the finance company and thus a bigger profit on the sale, but receive no such incentive from a cash purchase.

I'm really looking forward to test riding the 900, the GTP will be my preferred model as it's the new version of my XRT. I prefer the looks of the RP but it's too tall for me.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Matchbox on February 14, 2020, 10:40:03 AM
I have my eye on the 900 GT Low. Does anyone know how handling and comfort is affected? Also resale value?

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 14, 2020, 12:07:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Matchbox [+]
I have my eye on the 900 GT Low. Does anyone know how handling and comfort is affected? Also resale value?

Factory lowered = no handling issues. Might be slightly limited in lean angles possibly, but otherwise you'd like to think Triumph know how to set their product up correctly.

As with any factory lowered bike you'll be looking to sell to another member of the vertically challenged, like myself. As with anything find the right prospective purchaser and you are golden.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 14, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
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This guy makes some good points !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Elmer J Fudd on February 14, 2020, 06:35:14 PM
I have a Certificate of Entitlement for registration no. T900 GRR.

If anyone is interested in purchasing this let me know, it would go perfectly on a new Tiger 900. I would be looking for £300, plus any transfer fees (which may or may not be payable, I'm no expert on registrations).

If the Tiger 900 forum ever opens up, I'll post it on there and a few other forums.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Rgh999 on February 15, 2020, 11:36:11 AM
Best review I’ve seen so far. English subtitled. Worth watching.

Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 15, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
*Originally Posted by Rgh999 [+]
Best review I’ve seen so far. English subtitled. Worth watching.

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They say far more than what the subtitles tell you, I could tell with my limited Italian and one big error, the 800 does the 0-100kmh in 4.2s not 4.7, they exagerated on some stuff, like Italians do  :164:.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Stevie.P on February 15, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
I've already commented on another thread how the new bike has lost its signature 'Triumph Triple' sound (IMO) but the first 1.5mins of this clip confirms it with real riding. It sounds as much like a Triumph Triple as my VW Golf does. :110:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 15, 2020, 01:58:24 PM
It looks to be getting slower by the year.

https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/triumph-motorcycles-0-60-mph-times/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 16, 2020, 08:03:22 PM
So the best motorcycle site in Switzerland just gave their review, overall they thought it was the most polyvalent adventure bike, but 2 points they precised were very telling about the engine !

Basically the tester said never going above 6000 rpm, so if like me you love rincing the throttle, it might not be sa nice, also said it gets vibey above 6000.
Apparently they also noted to be in 3rd or 4th gear while off-roading, so still not a Twin in the end !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on February 16, 2020, 08:54:10 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
It looks to be getting slower by the year.

https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/triumph-motorcycles-0-60-mph-times/

I was told last week (by a main dealer employee who'd just got back from a presentation at the factory) that the 0-60 time for the 900 was 3.2 seconds.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 16, 2020, 09:01:08 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I was told last week (by a main dealer employee who'd just got back from a presentation at the factory) that the 0-60 time for the 900 was 3.2 seconds.

That sounds more like it.  :152:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 16, 2020, 09:50:04 PM
*Originally Posted by julianhj [+]
I was told last week (by a main dealer employee who'd just got back from a presentation at the factory) that the 0-60 time for the 900 was 3.2 seconds.

I would call marketing BS, a street triple R Does 3.1s and is almost 40 kg lighter according the kerb weight from triumph, it's not with a 10% cc increase and 40kg more that you manage to drop a full second, if the 800 really does 4.2s.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 17, 2020, 05:28:43 AM
*Originally Posted by Djairouks [+]
I would call marketing BS, a street triple R Does 3.0-3.1s and is almost 40 kg lighter according the dry weight from triumph, it's not with a 10% cc increase and 40kg more that you manage to drop a full second, if the 800 really does 4.2s.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: applecorp on February 17, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
Yeah no way does it do 3.2 sec.

I miss my Street Triple R, that really could do it in 3.0 
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Stevie.P on February 17, 2020, 01:10:47 PM
*Originally Posted by applecorp [+]
I miss my Street Triple ….

:0461: …. but unfortunately my knackered body could only take the riding position for short periods. The perfect solution would have been the Tiger only weighing the same as the ST.  :017:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 17, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
*Originally Posted by Stevie.P [+]
:0461: …. but unfortunately my knackered body could only take the riding position for short periods. The perfect solution would have been the Tiger only weighing the same as the ST.  :017:

Well take the center stand off, I'd say 4kg, carbon exhaust, 3kg, lithium battery 3kg, that's a good 10kg off already. Then workout and lose weight  :492: you might make it to 20.

Thank God, I'm still able to ride my gen 2 fazer 8 that's just slightly less able than a street triple, it's pretty fun, that bike was underestimated back when they made it !
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 17, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
Be good if the new Tiger 900 could hold its own on acceleration with the Africa twin. At the mo' it's all just blather until the testers get a hold of it, no reason why it shouldn't be a tad quicker than the old '15 Tiger 800, seeing it's a wee bit lighter & got 10% more torque. All depends how Triumph have geared it. Its overtaking (40 - 80) power is more important....to me.

The AT don't hang about.
https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/honda-motorcycles-0-60-mph-times/
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 17, 2020, 02:51:16 PM
I ditched my africa twin for the Tiger didn't feel such a difference, I used to already have my Fazer 8 (3.5s) and it was faster than the Honda period, because the AT cannot go more than around 70kmh tops on 1st gear, so you need to shift to 2nd to reach 100, which you don't on the Tiger 800 or my Fazer, of course mine was a manual not a DCT which might have a slight edge.
The first is 10% higher ratio on AT,  second actually pretty on par with the Tiger, but you're still on the first all the way with the Tiger which makes then a 41% higher ratio for the Tiger... at least on the 2018 models

I weighed my AT with crash bars lighter exhaust and center stand it was 242Kg and a dct would add 10Kg more, that's a good 30Kg more than my XRT, I could be pretty fast on it, but 3.3 is just not realistic in my opinion.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: tcbandituk on February 17, 2020, 02:55:18 PM
*Originally Posted by Paulhere [+]
https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/honda-motorcycles-0-60-mph-times/

Variable figures to say the least on there, the new Street is way slower than the 2013 Street Triple on there, I obviously got the wrong one  :001:
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 17, 2020, 07:45:07 PM
Extract:
Combined, this delivers more responsive acceleration, with 0-60 mph, 0-110 mph and 6th gear roll-on times all significantly quicker than both the previous generation Tiger and the closest competition.

https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-triumph-tiger-900-900-gt-900-rally-first-look.html
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Djairouks on February 17, 2020, 07:54:56 PM
Obviously it's going to be quicker than the 800, but all this site does is regurgitate marketing material like many so called journalists, it's telling when you read "Long-distance travel has been improved on the new Tiger 900 range, with a new larger 5.3- gallon fuel tank" while other testers and even triumph official fuel consumption numbers, tell otherwise that range is decreased by at least 20km.

So significantly quicker is just as much buzzwords as the rest, I would guess it will be 0.3-0.4s quicker.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: Paulhere on February 19, 2020, 06:18:06 PM
Have we all had the factory invite for the "Exclusive Preview"? Anybody opted to go?

It's an hours talk, but 2,1/2 hours each way of a journey....for me.

"The exclusive preview will explain how the All-New Tiger 900 has taken a quantum leap forward in capability, whilst outlining key specifications and model differences".
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: julianhj on February 19, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
Yes, I’ve received it - presumably sent to everyone who signed up for more info on the website? Too far for me unfortunately.
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: sprint on February 20, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
If anybody from here is going perhaps you could ask them why they have left a big hole in the the rear 'mudguard', if you could call it that, why they do not provide any protection to the rear shock absorber and also why they have made the screen smaller than the current 18 on models?
Title: Re: New 2020 Tiger 900 Rally & GT launch
Post by: KildareMan on February 20, 2020, 04:22:13 PM
There would be nothing left on the accessories catalog of they "fixed" all those.