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Tiger 800 / 900 - Main Discussion Section => Misc Technical Help Required => Topic started by: tony-the-tiger on February 13, 2020, 02:48:27 PM

Title: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 13, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
As one of the gifts I received in thrashing my XCx against the rocks last Sunday, I get his problem:  Remarkably, there was not much more damage to the bike...this unit seemed to take the entire head-on thrust of the impact.  Now I'm shopping the sites all over for a replacement and cannot find the part number that matches my VIN.  Everyone advertises its for the "Expedition",  some say interchangeable with XC,  others by VIN going forward.  Nothing matches me.  I cannot believe such an item can be engineered and manufactured so differently for each machine....got to be interchangeable.  Triumph plays games with their part numbering system to promote the confusion.  I don't trust my dealer.  Or Triumph America.  (takes them a month for an answer)

My question:  Is there a chart indicating how this part interchanges with different models?

My VIN (last 7 numbers:  700334.  My Part No.  (A) 2353436

Once again....thanks for any forthcoming information.  This forum has been a blessing!
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 13, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
This post received from a Triumph Dealer ebay UK site:

Good afternoon
Nothing comes up when I search the part number A2353436 on the Triumph parts catalogue. The VIN you have provided is for a Tiger 800 XCX, there is a different expedition top box sliding carriage for this bike priced at 119.00. We just sold our last one yesterday but will have more in stock in a day or two.

If you are a person trained in specificity:  hard to take?
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: D6864 on February 13, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
Searching for T2353436 brings up some relevant results  :002:
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 13, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
Now I have 2 answers:  I'm being told by an ebay seller (who also happens to be a Triumph dealer) in Europe the correct part number is A2353434.  Hypothesis:  Somewhere during the manufacturing/engineering processes, a modification was made,  not necessarily pertaining to fitment,  explaining the numbers variance.  Perhaps a bolt was too soft,  a washer thickness wrong,  a failing rubber grommet....the slider wasn't sliding properly.  Maybe the fitment really was changed for upgrades or changes in the frame construction.  It seems to me the question is fitment.  Does it fit the frame 2015 frame?  Does the slider base fit the $500 Top Box I already have?  What units are interchangeable?  I suspect the "Expedition" luggage systems sold with different Triumph models,  are manufactured by a contractor,  made to Triumph's specifications.  Look at the GIVI.  The pics of this unit are identical to Triumph's.  ( I know...you can't go by pics )

This get very confusing for my dumb ass.  :-)   Just trying to get the straight skinny...before I buy it for shipment across the Pacific or Atlantic oceans....only to find it doesn't fit...
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Toontje on February 13, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,27434.0/topicseen.html (https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,27434.0/topicseen.html)
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 13, 2020, 09:09:07 PM
Thanks, Toontje  The 2013 is completely different.  Must have been from a different manufacturer.
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Stevie.P on February 13, 2020, 09:47:24 PM
*Originally Posted by tony-the-tiger [+]
My question:  Is there a chart indicating how this part interchanges with different models?

My VIN (last 7 numbers:  700334.  My Part No.  (A) 2353436

Once again....thanks for any forthcoming information.  This forum has been a blessing!

It does appear there is a mix of info.
1. Go to https://www.triumphinstructions.com/default.aspx and enter A2353434 and use either the UK or USA flag and get the fitting instructions. These indicate that A2353434 fits all the Tigers basically, XR & XC, but also now has another number A9508207 shown on those latest instructions, possibly a supersede, which isn't on my 2015 paper copy. Have put the other number in the instruction link and it returns the same set of instructions so no idea what the difference is. Maybe A9508207 is designated for the XC range?

2. Strangely A2353434 is current on the 'World of Triumph' and 'Fowlers' parts lists against the 'Roadie' Tigers but their lists only show part numbers for the (plastic) Adventure luggage for the XC range. :187: :027:

3. I'm not aware of any difference in the XR and XC basic frame as such. The plastic 'Adventure' luggage shown for the XC is shown and fits the XR range of bikes? :027:
 
*Originally Posted by tony-the-tiger [+]
I suspect the "Expedition" luggage systems sold with different Triumph models,  are manufactured by a contractor,  made to Triumph's specifications.  Look at the GIVI.  The pics of this unit are identical to Triumph's.  ( I know...you can't go by pics )

Yes, the luggage is made by GIVI but with the fitting points all moved slightly so they don't interchange, however simple DIY modifications on the topbox carrier and pannier frames or boxes (can't remember which) means they can be switched.
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 13, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Wish I could go to the UK and buy Stevie P a tall one!!!!.  The answer I've been looking for.  Guess What:  Depending on which Series Luggage (Plastic or full metal) determines which Sliding Carrier unit you will use.  A2353434 appears to be the universal mount for all 800 Tiger models.  The differences are in the 1200 Tiger Explorer models.  Stevie P,  I looked under the top box itself and cannot find anything adjustable in the mounting, however the two receptor posts on the slider itself are bolt in and I suspect you could change their location by elongating the holes.  Also there is a section in the instructions indicating adjustment procedures.  Maybe there is enough play in the adjustments to make it work. The big question then is where and how much.  I don't think its worth the risk without this knowledge.  Get it wrong and your top box full of groceries ends up through someone's windshield.

If someone has this problem,  I'll keep the damaged slider assembly, I could measure the posts and make a cryptic diagram of the post locations  Anyone wants this, contact tony-the-tiger thought his forum.

Once again I thank Stevie P. and those behind the scenes who make this forum work.  It is an invaluable tool that helps make one of the great machines it is.
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Stevie.P on February 13, 2020, 11:53:38 PM
The Triumph sliding carrier mod to accept a GIVI topbox is very simple ....  :028:
https://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,27106.msg294948.html#msg294948

.... and similarly to fit GIVI panniers to the Triumph pannier racks needs an achievable DIY mod which is described somewhere in the past (had a quick unsuccessful search). I think you cut/grind a couple of lugs off the pannier box mounting rail that then allows the GIVI pannier locating lugs to fit the Triumph frames.  :084:
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Stevie.P on February 14, 2020, 12:02:13 AM
*Originally Posted by tony-the-tiger [+]
Wish I could go to the UK and buy Stevie P a tall one!!!!.

I'd sooner go to AZ (though already ticked off my list) and not sure if you would have it in AZ, finding Cider is hard enough in most states in the USA (on draught even harder) but make mine a 20oz Angry Orchard cider with cinnamon top, thanks.  :031:
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 14, 2020, 01:19:03 AM
Sounds non-alcoholic...?

I won't ever make it to the UK again and swore I'd never do Heathrow again....is that the worst?  Just passing through for a Med Cruise and I still have not seen continental Europe and the UK.  Were I to make it there (unlikely) I would need a tour of the Triumph facilities,  a trip to the British Museum, and of course,  wherever you go for that cider!!!!

Ciao,  Tony
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Stevie.P on February 14, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Cider is definitely alcoholic and a major player here in the UK . and for me must be apple cider. :002:

Angry Orchard seems to be the only readily available one in the USA and is brewed by the 'Boston Beer Company' at 5% alcohol by volume.
https://www.angryorchard.com/

There are certainly a few US airports I've been that I could name as contenders for the worst ..  :084:
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 14, 2020, 10:29:22 AM
Have learned enough about cider from you that it is definitely now on my bucket list.  I'll find the Angry Orchard, (seen it advertised on TV) then continue the quest for the authentic British kind.  There are a number of your ex-pat riders here (why do they all ride H.D.'s?) who may know where to find it.   If it's here in Tucson, I'll find it.  It'll have to be here as my world travelling days are done.  We're sometimes in Las Vegas,  and, as everyone knows,  everything connected to sin is available there.  Finding British Cider ....  should be easy.!!!

Ciao
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Stevie.P on February 14, 2020, 11:05:49 AM
Back to topic  :015: . I see your issue regarding obtaining a reasonably priced replacement. I looked on your ebay USA and only 4 at full price and similarly here on ebay UK only 2 at full price with neither side of the pond having any cheaper 'used' offerings.  :110: :151:
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 17, 2020, 04:09:01 PM
Thanks, Stevie P.  Ordered through amazon for $199,  shipping included.

On another Note:  Response from Triumph America : "We would not be able to recommend or give any feedback towards welding a frame."   All I asked for was the metallurgy   Think that would be some closely guarded secret?

This is the same response I received when I asked for help with the Cold Start/No Start issue. (Extensive posts written here)  They can kiss this future customer goodbye.

They then have the audacity to ask me for a survey/rating on their customer service...What a joke!!!
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: Stevie.P on February 17, 2020, 04:37:59 PM
*Originally Posted by tony-the-tiger [+]
Response from Triumph America : "We would not be able to recommend or give any feedback towards welding a frame, ....

we can't possibly support you paying $50 for a solid top class welded repair Sir. Much prefer you pay us $2000 dollars for a new frame and another $1000 labour to fit it". :210:
Title: Re: Wrecked Top Box Sliding Carrier Assembly
Post by: tony-the-tiger on February 17, 2020, 05:06:19 PM
Go in the Triumph store in Tucson... the first thing you do is bend over.