Post by: Archie750 on October 21, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Just wondered if anyone else has experienced problems with balance when the top box alone is fitted to the Tiger 900 Rally Pro? I didn't really notice a balance problem on my previous 800XCA with just the top box on, but I do with the 900RP. Embarrassingly I managed to drop the bike 45 minutes after picking it up from the dealer, causing £1000 of damage :012: :232:. I was attempting to climb a kerb while almost parallel to it, and overbalanced. Note to all: the edge of the tank is very exposed to this kind of damage.
I was finding the bike difficult to manhandle at low speeds, and a couple of weeks later had to mount a kerb again to allow an ambulance through in a narrow road and nearly dropped it again! :114:. Now I've taken the top box and mounting plate off the bike it's a lot better, so much so that I took it off-road yesterday for the first time on a mixture of forest tracks, open gravel roads and wet, muddy green lanes, and it was great fun! From now on I'm only going to fit the top box when I have the panniers on, so that the overall center of gravity is lower. Can't fit 'em yet as I'm still waiting for the pannier rails, which are on a delayed back order with Triumph. Once I get the panniers and top box all on together I will report back.
Just wondered if it's only me?
Post by: Colinhitch on October 21, 2020, 12:31:01 PM
Post by: Aussie Tiger on October 21, 2020, 12:50:09 PM
Post by: Stevie.P on October 21, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Archie750 ![[+]](https://www.tiger800.co.uk/vbicons/viewpostright.png "View Post")
I believe this was your issue, I have once done it myself when the only option was for me to go on the pavement and I embarrisingly dropped it in front of the blocking car driver, not enough angle relative to the kerb and instead of mounting the kerb the tyre runs along the kerb edge and unexpectedly throws you off balance and ... :232:
I now always ensure that the bike and wheel is at least 45 - 90deg to the kerb before doing it.
Post by: Colinhitch on October 21, 2020, 01:20:07 PM
Post by: awjdthumper on October 21, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
Post by: TIger Lad on October 21, 2020, 02:26:53 PM
Post by: Jarse on October 21, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
Mounting a cord while parallel on the other hand is far from advisable.
Post by: Archie750 on October 23, 2020, 12:19:48 PM
I do still have some reservations about the top box but will give it another go. I very rarely carry pillions but the feeling of instability I get is similar to that, but obviously to a lesser degree.
Thanks to
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Colinhitch for his comments; I did try to get on the Triumph off-road course this year but Covid stopped that, so now I’m booked on the level 1 in June next year, as well as the ABR Festival later the same month, so really looking forward to both of those!Cheers
Nick
Post by: Colinhitch on October 23, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Post by: Dazcoates on October 23, 2020, 01:56:17 PM
No bike I've ever owned has felt any different when fitted with a top box.
Doesnt feal much different when I've got the missus sat on the back either.
Post by: Archie750 on October 23, 2020, 03:27:37 PM
Originally Posted by Dazcoates Actually, I just checked and my Triumph Expedition top-box and mount together weigh 8.5Kg, so in total fully loaded that's 13.5Kg (30lbs) - equivalent to about 6 average house bricks :015:.
Post by: Dazcoates on October 23, 2020, 03:49:01 PM
Post by: Sixer58 on October 24, 2020, 08:25:29 AM
Post by: awjdthumper on October 24, 2020, 08:42:18 AM
Post by: AvgBear on October 24, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
In fact, motorcycle riding guides advise against such -- recommending locating weight low and toward the center of the bike.
Top boxes & weight just might be asking for trouble..? :187:
Post by: Dazcoates on October 24, 2020, 08:33:05 PM
Admittedly, some bikes might not be suited to having luggage fitted but I dont think that will be the case with any tiger.
(https://photos-cdn.tiger800.co.uk/Screenshot_20201024-203123_WhatsApp.jpg)
This obviously might be a bit dodgy .
Post by: Aussie Tiger on October 24, 2020, 08:36:49 PM
Post by: Jonjak on October 25, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
But are we all missing the point. What we should be concentrating on, is the fact that a minor drop of our pride and joy is resulting in so much damage.
How can this be avoided? There are conflicting stories with crash bars, and at £500 a set, the expense is quite high. Does anyone know if there is some kind of tank pad, perhaps in carbon. I know this option exists for track bikes. If not available, we could possibly approach a manufacturer for a group by? If it is deemed suitable. What do you guys think.
Post by: tauzero on October 25, 2020, 02:48:11 PM
Post by: AvgBear on October 25, 2020, 03:36:57 PM
Originally Posted by Aussie Tiger Still, in the Owner's Handbook, Triumph stipulate (Accessories and Loading) - in addition to the many warnings of potential hazards of carrying passengers - some specific warnings about accessory payloads.
"The presence of accessories and/or payload will cause changes in the stability and handling of the motorcycle."
"Failure to allow for changes in motorcycle stability may lead to loss of control or an accident."
Carrying of objects in excess of 5 kg in weight, that...extend beyond the rear...of the motorcycle may lead to loss of motorcycle control...
Post by: Jonjak on October 25, 2020, 04:35:50 PM