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Title: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: steveg on November 21, 2020, 09:16:22 AM
Hello
I previously owned a 2012 Tiger 800 roadie sold approx 2 years ago
Did approx 50k miles on the Tiger and really enjoyed it
I am now looking at a newer mark 2 2015 Tiger 800
How does the mk2 compare with the mk1 ?
Differences I can see include
Ride by wire so cruise control
No stepper motor ???? my gen 1 stepper was a PITA
Better mpg on mk 2?
Any other differences , do you recon the mk2 Tiger is better than mk1 ?

Any known issues with the mk2 / things to check out for ?

Cheers Steveg
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: Tigermainia on November 21, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
I didn't like the Gen 1 Tiger 800, only had it as loan bike while mine (Speed Triple) was in for service. I was looking to change to a touring type bike and tried the Tracer 900, a no go, then went and test rode the Gen 2, in my opinion no comparison to the Gen 1, end of story, had it for just over 3 years before changing, no problems at all.

All the plusses you've noted.

 :417: :152: :031:
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: mcinlb on November 21, 2020, 01:21:18 PM
Had a 2013 gen 1 Roadie, terrible suspension,  front way too harsh. Fueling none too good, had problems a altitude on the French Alps.

Gen 3 XRX- standard suspension not too bad , but put the Maxton I had on the 1 onto the XRX, superb.
Other than that, ABS and Traction control on the XRX..
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: cyclops69 on November 21, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
What significant  suspension differences are there between Gen 1 & 2 (Showa front and rear on both I believe)? I canít see much difference in the spec sheets. The suspension can  be improved most definitely  (more noticeable degradation at slow speed)  but I  certainly wouldnít class it as terrible. No throttle/fuelling issues for me  - very smooth but canít say what itís like at high altitude.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: gordybrock on November 21, 2020, 09:13:42 PM
My trusty 2012 roadie is perfect in every way...so there  :001:
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: tauzero on November 22, 2020, 02:59:34 AM
Never rode a Gen 1 bike so can't give a comparison. I think all the problems I've had (not many) have been down to the main fuse and ancillaries under the battery.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: KildareMan on November 22, 2020, 09:45:08 AM
`11 Tiger. Each iteration tune was an improvement over the previous to the point that the latest tunes haven't needed to be changed for several years. The only `weak`point was probably the stepper motor IF you happened to be in a dusty environment. Most aren't. Solution was simple.
 In nearly 10 years is only needed recovery once when the front sprocket went walkies. Will I buy a green 2 or even gen 3? I doubt it. Doubt also next bike will be a 900 either. Will there be a next bike? Why when I'm happy with what I have.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: Aussie Tiger on November 22, 2020, 11:57:09 AM
All gen II are ride by wire, have ABS and traction control. XRX and XRT get comfort seats, centre stand, riding modes, including one you can configure, cruise control.. XRT in addition has heated grips, heated seats, fog lights and larger alternator. The engine is supposed to be 16% more fuel efficient (arguable). Brakes and suspension unchanged from Gen I (except for ABS across the range). Gen II also gets 2 (3 on XRT) Merit power sockets.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: kempy on November 22, 2020, 08:37:38 PM
I've have my Gen 1 2010 800XC a couple of years and it has never let me down and Love the bike! - I have not ridden any of the newer gens so have no comparison to make.
My UK to Lake Garda trip certainly took my bike to "altitudes" (French, German and Swiss Alps) and never missed a beat!  :152:
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: hawkbox on November 24, 2020, 05:09:03 PM
I've got 80k km on my 2012 and only ever done basic mainenance and fork seals.  I do have a 900 GT Pro deposit in for March though so will be upgrading.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: Aussie Tiger on November 25, 2020, 02:58:09 AM
Even though each successive generation of the 800 has been an improvement over the previous one it was only ever an incremental step up from what was already an extraordinarily good bike. Gen II to Gen III being not much more than tweak. I had a Gen II XCX and found it extremely difficult to justify upgrading to the 900, but somehow managed it... haha.
As far as Iím concerned the 3 800 Gens and now the 900 are the best 4 bike families on the market so it really doesnít matter which one you have, although I am finding everything about the 900 to be better.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: grizzlybear on November 25, 2020, 02:41:07 PM
Hi

I got a 2018 Xr with latest engine. I get 65 plus mpg(best is 74) and got no more than 55mpg on my 2013 roadie, and engine is a lot smoother moving off. Overall a massive improvement 😀
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: fac191 on November 25, 2020, 03:17:07 PM
I thought the Gen3 had the electronic suspension. More then a tweek i would say.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: Aussie Tiger on November 25, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
*Originally Posted by fac191 [+]
I thought the Gen3 had the electronic suspension. More then a tweek i would say.

Apologies. I didnít realise the gen III 800 has electronic suspension. Presumably just on the XRT? I thought only the top spec 1200s and 900 GT Pro got it. Certainly the case here. If it was available outside Australia on an 800 I agree thatís a big change.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: Djairouks on November 25, 2020, 08:08:33 PM
None of the 800 ever had electronic suspensions, only the 1200 were equiped with that !

I tested a 2013 model which didn't really leave a great impression back then, I went on and
bought a Mt-09 1st model, which was a death machine with crap suspension, then last year
when I re tested the XRT gen 3 I found it to be much better than in my memory.

This might have to do with ride by wire, but one detail nobody points out about 3rd gen, it is
that the first gear was increased by 10%, making it more reactive with faster acceleration.
Title: Re: gen 1 v gen 2 tiger 800 roadie
Post by: fac191 on November 25, 2020, 09:26:04 PM
I stand corrected sir. Have read about the MT09 suspension.